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Hi guys,
I have question about this wizard ability.Rule book states :
Someone said wrote: "Hand of the Apprentice (Su): You cause your melee weapon to fly from your grasp and strike a foe before instantly returning to you. As a standard action, you can make a single attack using a melee weapon at a range of 30 feet. This attack is treated as a ranged attack with a thrown weapon, except that you add your Intelligence modifier on the attack roll instead of your Dexterity modifier (damage still relies on Strength). This ability cannot be used to perform a combat maneuver. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier. " My half elf wizard wants to use this ability with his longsword which he not proficient. Is he going to take -4 for this. Rule only says your melee weapon and not require proficiency. From my understanding any melee weapon in my hand is my melee weapon and its su. My melee weapon fly from my hand and magically strike to target. whats the offical statment about it? thanx
I would rule that the -4 non-proficiency penalty still applies. In all ways other than it's not a normal thrown weapon you're treating it like a thrown weapon attack. Proficiency is part of that calculation.
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The ability only mentions substituting intelligence for dexterity and says nothing about conferring proficiency, so why would you think that you do attack with proficiency?
By the way, there is an alternate racial ability that your half-elf wizard could take that would make him proficient with that longsword. That ability is called "Ancestral Arms". All he has to give up for it is "adaptability", i.e., that free Skill Focus feat.
Someone said wrote: The ability only mentions substituting intelligence for dexterity and says nothing about conferring proficiency, so why would you think that you do attack with proficiency? Im totally agreeing with you. Also ı know that ability. But for me its useless.It only allows one weapon exotic or not. If ı m going to give up a feat already. I just take martial weapon profiency and use all sword, axe etc. types
David knott 242 wrote: By the way, there is an alternate racial ability that your half-elf wizard could take that would make him proficient with that longsword. That ability is called "Ancestral Arms". All he has to give up for it is "adaptability", i.e., that free Skill Focus feat. He may not have the additional resources (books) to take that.
If that's the case, he should do himself a favor and pick up a copy of the Advanced Race Guide; it's worth it for the alternate racial traits alone, but also serves to give access to the Aasimar, Tengu, and Tiefling races, plus any you get boons for, not to mention some pretty decent racial equipment (note to self: remember to buy that Obsession Log for my alchemist gnome tonight...)
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Ancestral Arms is also in the Advanced Player's Guide, so there are two books to choose from to get that trait.
willtara wrote: If ı m going to give up a feat already. I just take martial weapon profiency and use all sword, axe etc. types Martial Weapon Proficiency only gives you one weapon, not all martial weapons I believe. So it's a bit more even of a swap.
Upss my bad. But still it gives one type against one weapon. If i want an exotic weapon i totally choose that ability but in my case again its useless. Also I started this thread in society rules question because i want an offical answer. In my country my society dms and ı argueing about this ruling. so if somebody can move it back there i ll be very happy. Thanx
willtara wrote: Upss my bad. But still it gives one type against one weapon. If i want an exotic weapon i totally choose that ability but in my case again its useless. Also I started this thread in society rules question because i want an offical answer. In my country my society dms and ı argueing about this ruling. so if somebody can move it back there i ll be very happy. Thanx To be clear, Martial Weapon Proficiency gives you one type of weapon, which means longsword or battle axe, etc. Not all weapons of a single damage type (slashing or piercing for example). The only difference is Ancestral Arms can give you an exotic weapon proficiency.
You probably won't see this move back to the PFS forums because this works just like it works in the normal rules and is not changed for PFS.
If you're not proficient you take the -4 because Hand of the Apprentice does not change that.
Hi , thanks for reply and heres mine for yours
1- Martial weapon profiency states one type while Ancestral Arms says one weapon. What ı understand from that when i take MWP (swords) i can use long, two handed, bastard etc. Which i cant gain from AA. I can be still wrong ofcourse but its what i understand from chosen words ( type vs one).
2- My rule question still not answered offically.Rule isnt clear enough as you can see David knott 242(and probably others) can still think like me while you or others dont ...
willtara wrote: Hi , thanks for reply and heres mine for yours
1- Martial weapon profiency states one type while Ancestral Arms says one weapon. What ı understand from that when i take MWP (swords) i can use long, two handed, bastard etc. Which i cant gain from AA. I can be still wrong ofcourse but its what i understand from chosen words ( type vs one).
2- My rule question still not answered offically.Rule isnt clear enough as you can see David knott 242(and probably others) can still think like me while you or others dont ...
1. The benefit line reads "selected weapon" when the description reads type it means all long swords or all great swords not all swords.
Especially since not all swords are martial.
2. I don't think he is agreeing with you. It reads to me like he is asking why you would think you wouldn't have a penalty.
Okay sorry sorry that was a long night for me an ı was very tired. But i still think i shouldnt have to profience because of it is a magical ability.So next time i ll be an elf but for now where is my caine if its good for Ezren i can give it a shot ( from d8 to d6 its not that big change)
I also have questions about Hand of the Apprentice.
I believe that if you are not prof. with the weapon then you take the -4 penalty because the Hand simply lets you make a ranged attack.
Nothing more. It doesn't give you weapon prof. BUT i am not sure. Any official about this one?
If i am wrong, and there is no prof. penalty, the you can also use great axe or long spear?....
Hand of Apprentice does not give you proficiency with any weapon. It only gives you the ability to make a ranged attack with a melee weapon. You can attack with a longsword or greataxe or longspear but you would still suffer the -4 penalty if you are not proficient with the weapon.
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