If I am a sorcerer and I get a bonus spell from another class( like oracle) that is in the sorcerer spell list(lets say burning hands) can I cast this spell from my sorcerer spell slots?
No.
Why not?
Why not?
Because you get it as an Oracle spell known, not a Sorcerer spell known.
I am sorry, but there are no rules about an oracle known spell and a socerer knwo spell. I am specifically looking for references.
I am sorry, but there are no rules about an oracle known spell and a socerer knwo spell. I am specifically looking for references.
Let me ask you this, then:
I am a Sorcerer 1/Oracle 1. With one of my 2 spells known from Oracle, I know Murderous Command. Do you think I can use Sorcerer spell slots to cast this spell? Why?
Take a look at this reference then, for mystery spells:
"At 2nd level, and every two levels thereafter, an oracle learns an additional spell derived from her mystery. These spells are in addition to the number of spells given on Table: Oracle Spells Known. They cannot be exchanged for different spells at higher levels."
The mystery spells supplement your spells known chart, so if you can't cast Murderous Command using your Sorcerer slots, you can't cast any Mystery spells with them, either.
Murderous command is a divine spell...
When I look at known spells there is no clairification for oracle known spells and sorcerer known spells.
Murderous command is a divine spell...
When I look at known spells there is no clairification for oracle known spells and sorcerer known spells.
No spell is divine on its own. It is divine simply because you know it as an oracle.
Look at Cure Light Wounds. It is a divine spell if you know it as an Oracle, but an arcane spell if you know it as a Bard.
If I was an Oracle 1/Bard 1, do you think I could cast Cure Light Wounds with my Bard slots, even if I only selected it through Oracle?
I do not know. How do I stop my rules laywer players in PFS.
Spells gained by any class can only use slots from that class. It is a class ability, and as such class abilities normally cant be used to power a different class's abilities.
^ What he said.
If you are a level 1 Oracle, you know W Oracle Spells and have X Oracle Spell Slots per day.
If you are a level 2 Sorcerer, you know Y Sorcerer Spells and have Z Sorcerer Spell Slots per day.
So, if you are an Oracle 1/Sorcerer 2, you know W Oracle Spells and Y Sorcerer spells, and have X Oracle Spell Slots, and Z Sorcerer Spell Slots.
No overlap between them though. You can't cast Burning Hands with your Sorcerer Slots if you know it as an Oracle, and vice versa if that's switched around. If you want to use both types of spell slots for it, you'd need to learn it both as a sorcerer and an oracle.
Incidentally, same would go for a sorcerer/wizard. Despite sharing an identical spell list, the spells you learn as a sorcerer are not automatically added to your spellbook, and you can't use wizard spell slots for them unless you learn them as a wizard somehow (even if it's as simple as teaching them to yourself, which might vary by GM).
Edit: I suppose I should have reversed the Sorc and Oracle levels, since you'd assumedly be learning Burning Hands as an Oracle through the Flame mystery at level 2. Regardless, same deal.
I do not know. How do I stop my rules laywer players in PFS.
1) Have people actually tried this on you, or are you just afraid of it happening?
2) Calling them rules lawyers implies they know the rules. If they don't understand why you can't cast Oracle spells with Sorcerer spell slots, they are not rules lawyers, they are either trying to cheat or unable to comprehend what they read.
I do not know. How do I stop my rules laywer players in PFS.1) Have people actually tried this on you, or are you just afraid of it happening?
2) Calling them rules lawyers implies they know the rules. If they don't understand why you can't cast Oracle spells with Sorcerer spell slots, they are not rules lawyers, they are either trying to cheat or unable to comprehend what they read.
I think he is referring to them as rules lawyers because the player in question thinks that if there isn't a sign that says don't bury 10 pounds of dog crap in his neighbors yard, then obviously he can.
Yes, it has been used. And yes since there is not verbage saying they can not use an oracle learned sorcerer spell that they can still use the oracle learned spell with sorcerer slots.
Since RAW is LAW in PFS it is an arguement with threats pof reporting me for sayign no.
Yes, it has been used. And yes since there is not verbage saying they can not use an oracle learned sorcerer spell that they can still use the oracle learned spell with sorcerer slots.
They are wrong--extremely wrong. They cannot possibly try that. Just be strong.
Since RAW is LAW in PFS it is an arguement with threats pof reporting me for sayign no.
Let them report you because they are so ridiculously wrong.
Well these same people and one being VL gave me trouble because I would not let one delay a death save until I brought the book and showed the script that said you could not.
It is easier for me if I can show the verbage. Much less hassel.