I'm not to sure about the rules but i was just wondering if this was legal... 60 squares to attack XD
It gives you a 20 foot reach. 10 from enlarge 5 each from lunge and marid, but it is pretty feet intensive.
not if u take qingggong archetype. one of the powers u can get is whirlwind attack without meeting prerqs. and it cost 2 ki to use
Your reach to all of those squares would depend on if your use of Elemental Fist is applied to every attack you make with Whirlwind (ie it counts as one attack) or if it only affects one attack you make (ie, it only gets applied to one attack - of your choice - during the series of attacks you can make while whirlwinding). Otherwise you only have 15' reach from enlarge person and lunge. Which at higher levels of monk is an UAS not to sneeze at.
ok so then if you quigong it its resource intensive, Not saying its a bad combo just saying its either feat intensive or resource intensive (ki+elemental fist use).
not sure what elemental fist has to do with it, cause marid style says "Benefit: You gain one additional Elemental Fist attempt per day. While using this style and Elemental Fist to deal cold damage, you gain a bonus on cold damage rolls equal to your Wisdom modifier, and your reach with your unarmed strike increases by 5 feet" so while in this style you get a 5 ft reach bonus to unarmed attacks, not just elemental fist attacks, or else they wouldn't have separated the , and your reach with your unarmed strike increases by 5 feet
No, the Maris style says you gain one extra use of Elemental Fist per day. Then it goes on to specify that while using EF(for cold damage) and MS you gain the benefits of extra cold damage and the 5' reach. You don't get the secondary benefits when you're not using EF.
IF it had said "Benefit: You gain one additional Elemental Fist attempt per day. While using this style your reach with your unarmed strikes increases by 5 feet. While using this style and Elemental Fist to deal cold damage, you gain a bonus on cold damage rolls equal to your Wisdom modifier." Then it wouldn't affect your reach.
But, you can only use EF once per round - as per the feat - regardless of how many daily uses of it you have, thus you can only gain the full benefit of Marid Style with one attack per round. This is why the area of effect of your Whirlwind is dependent on your GM's interpretation of Whirlwind and if it counts as one attack - or as many attacks made with one Full Attack Action.
by that logic dijinni style says Benefit: You gain one additional Elemental Fist attempt per day. While you are in this style you must use Elemental Fist to deal electricity damage and you gain a bonus on electricity damage rolls equal to your Wisdom bonus. Further, while you are using this style and have remaining Elemental Fist attempts, you also gain a +2 dodge bonus to Armor Class against attacks of opportunity. A condition that makes you lose your Dexterity bonus to AC also makes you lose this dodge bonus. so i only get the AC bonus to AoO if i use EF
let me rephrase, it would just say when used for cold add wis mod to dam. and Elemental fist is increased by 5 ft, not add wis mod to damage, and your reach with unarmed strike is increased by 5 ft... else there would be no need for a comma to explain the additional benefit.
I'm merely stating RAW.
In the case of Dijinni Style the benefits are listed separately with different qualifiers. It offers you
1) When you're using DS+EF to deal electric damage = bonus electrical damage equal to your WIS mod.
2) When you're using DS and have charges of EF = +2 dodge AC vs AoO.
There's nothing in the feat about needing to be using EF to gain the second benefit.
This is different from Marid Style, as it lists all of its benefits with the same qualifiers.
Slight offtopic correction, Dijinni style contains a error in wording compared to the other style feats.
"You gain one additional Elemental Fist attempt per day. While you are in this style you must use Elemental Fist to deal electricity damage and you gain a bonus on electricity damage rolls equal to your Wisdom bonus."
You gain +Wis to ALL electricity damage rolls, by strict RAW, not just EF. I believe the RAI is to only apply to EF, and I think there was even an author clarification at some point that it was a mistype. Still, no errata, and TBH, the elemental styles are rather lacking in power compared to the regular styles, so it doesn't break my heart...
Yes, it's a known mistake. No errata has been released for any of UC since errata is tied to new publications of the book.
Booksy's reading is the correct one here. The extra reach is only with your elemental fist attack.
It's still a pretty cool combo, and I'd personally allow Elemental Fist to combo with Whirlwind Attack (for rule of cool, if no other reason).
EDIT: If it's not clear from Cheapy's link, I'm Ben Bruck, and I wrote Marid Style for Ultimate Combat.
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote: Booksy's reading is the correct one here. The extra reach is only with your elemental fist attack.
It's still a pretty cool combo, and I'd personally allow Elemental Fist to combo with Whirlwind Attack (for rule of cool, if no other reason).
EDIT: If it's not clear from Cheapy's link, I'm Ben Bruck, and I wrote Marid Style for Ultimate Combat.
Since it is possible to use Elemental Fist as part of an opportunity attack, does Marid Style increase the area you threaten by 5 ft?
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