at later levels, if your stats are completely the same, how much bigger is the hit on the 1d10 vs the 1d8? is it worth having to waste a feat with a non fighter class to get it? Thanks
It's 1 point of damage on average (so 2 points on a crit.) Generally not worth whatever investment you would be putting into it.
Even after throwing in power attack and such?
With or without Power Attack, it's still only a 1 damage difference. If you are using Power Attack, it just makes that 1 point of extra damage even more negligible.
Roger that.....
SO tell me your thought on a 2 handed Nantana wielding Ninja?
20 pt buy
the AP only goes to 17.
I was thinking 14 ninja and 3 fighter.
Id miss out on 2d6 Sneak Attack damage at late levels but I would gain:
med armor use at no movement speed penalty. +1 armor dex bonus, -1 skill check bonus, 2 bonus feats, +1 bravery, martial weapons(nodachi instead of the kantana)
also the 3rd party Weapon Champ is in play. So I would get -1 bonus feat but gain, +1 crit confirm, +1 attack, +1 damage also.
You think it would work? and I could still be a stealthy dude :)
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Well, if you're going to be Strength-focused, Ninja with a Fighter is not bad at all. You're not going to do ridiculous amounts of damage (3/4 BAB and lack of anything like Weapon Training is going to hamper you a lot) but you'll definitely have a big suite of skills, plus nifty Ninja Tricks.
If you're going for mostly Sneak Attack damage, TWF is a better option.
This is what I just sent my GM, he's helping me to!
OK here what I come up with so far and Im pretty firm on most of it, maybe you can help me tweek it.
Goal: I want to be very sneaky and strike from the shadows with massive damage, That's it, that's all I want! So here's what I got so far! Both builds are for a 2 hander.
14 Ninja/ 3 fighter(weapon champion)
cons: I lose 2d6 sneak attack, 1 ninja trick, and 1 no trace
Pro's: gain 1 bonus feat, +1 crit confirm, martial weapons, med/heavy armor, full movement with med armor, +1 damage, +1 attack
12 fighter/5 Ninja
cons: Not full BAB (-2), only 1 skill point per level( already taking a -2 int so not pumping points in to get the extra skill)
Pro's: much higher BAB, lots of feats, use of Ki speed(will use extra feats to buy extra ki a few times), uncanny dodge, 3d6 Sneak attack, poison use, 2 ninja tricks(which can be used for feats basically), no trace +1
I like the 2nd option pretty well except for the lack of skills. I have to have stealth and Acrobatics. My play style will be to tumble through threatened squares to provide flanking bonuses for myself and others. also all my ki will be for Ki Speed "By spending 1 point from her ki pool, a ninja can make one additional attack at her highest attack bonus, but she can do so only when making a full attack."
I have other thoughts but this will get us started....I'm almost there!!!!btw im going Suli for race.
What about mobile fighter archtype?
Scout archetype for ninja
I was unaware that Ninja's had any Archetypes....?????
The fun of using a 1d10 weapon is getting enlarged or having the impact enchantment to increase damage to 2d8.
If I'm not wrong an increased 1d8 weapon would be 2d6. 3 point of damage. Worth a feat? I'm not sure, specially at higher levs.
You know you can be a "Ninja" without levels in the Ninja class?
Just saying.
well sure to an extent....go stealthy and kill stuff, all kinds of classes that do that....
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If I'm not wrong an increased 1d8 weapon would be 2d6. 3 point of damage. Worth a feat? I'm not sure, specially at higher levs.The fun of using a 1d10 weapon is getting enlarged or having the impact enchantment to increase damage to 2d8.
If you can take a 1d10 over a 1d8 and maintain the 15-20x2 crit without burning a feat, you should always do so, because it's more damage.
If you have to burn a feat, it's not worth it in terms of optimization.
The damage die of the weapon is meaningless after a certain point, it's all about static damage and crit chance.