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Most items dont follow the same price forumla. magical weapons are twice as expensive as magical armor (not counting initial cost of the item). This is probably a situation like that.
This one probably follows something more along the lines of [bonus squared × 15,000 gp × 2] than the one you listed. Though dont take me suggesting this as RAI, cause I have know idea. This is just my assumption.
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Interesting find - looks like you are correct in that rule being technically legal. Several of the stones, though, would be difficult to apply the rule to. For instance, the Vibrant Purple stone has no bonuses as such, or the Opalescent White. For straight bonus stones, it should be simple to apply.
There's no mention of what the maximum bonus allowed is, though, or any other sorts of details.
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Hmm... I don't think advanced ioun stones are legal, because the upgraded items don't exist as items themselves, and would therefore fall under crafting. Having a formula to figure out what the price *would* be, isn't the same as being a priced item on a list in a legal source.
Upgrading a belt +2 to +4 is fine, because a belt +4 exists on the lists already as an item in its own right. A pale green sphere ioun stone that gives +3 to a skill, however, does *not* exist as an item on a list somewhere... so it isn't a valid item for PFS, it's a custom magic item. Although... flagging for FAQ.
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Haven't had a chance to look at Seekers of Secrets for this yet, but are there *any* already-priced Advanced stones? If so, then I could understand those being legal and others not. But if the entire subject of Advanced stones is without a priced list, and Additional Resources says everything's legal...?
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I can't believe that they'd be legal. The Core Rulebook also has forumlae for crafting magic items, but those aren't legal, so why should crafting advanced ioun stones be legal?
Because campaign documentation says that those parts of the CRB are banned, while other campaign documentation says that everything in SoS is legal?
I mean, are we to believe campaign documentation or not?
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I can't believe that they'd be legal. The Core Rulebook also has forumlae for crafting magic items, but those aren't legal, so why should crafting advanced ioun stones be legal?
I'm with Eric on this one as well. I can't see them being legal unless they have specific entries, not just a formula. I'd mark for FAQ, although just a clarification here would be sufficient.
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Here is the information from the Seekers of Secrets regarding Advanced Ioun Stones:
Advanced Ioun Stones (pp 43-44)
Most ioun stones use the normal pricing rules for magic items; the major difference is that they all use the ×2 modifier for not using a magic item space on the body. For example, figuring out the price of upgrading a deep red sphere ioun stone from a +2 enhancement bonus to a +4 enhancement bonus is just a matter of using the formula (bonus squared × 1,000 gp × 2), which gives a final price of 32,000 gp; the difference between that and the standard item cost of 8,000 gp is 24,000 gp, so a qualified character with the Craft Wondrous Item feat can upgrade the stone by spending half that amount (12,000 gp) in materials.
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Which basically means you cannot do it, as its referencing the magic item creation rules and pricings (that are explicitly removed for PFS by the guide to organised play). So Advanced Ioun Stones would not be legal
Caderyn is correct. The section of the book on advanced ioun stones is simply a breakdown of how one would go about crafting higher-level ioun stones. Since crafting is banned in the campaign, this section doesn't need to be called out as also not being allowed. It's just providing some behind-the-scenes math for how the magic items work without actually providing any new rules. While you can upgrade a +1 longsword to a +2 longsword, you can do so because both items already exist in the game. There are currently no rules for an advanced pale green prism ioun stone, so it's not something you can upgrade to, regardless of this section's inclusion in the Additional Resources section or not.
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Which basically means you cannot do it, as its referencing the magic item creation rules and pricings (that are explicitly removed for PFS by the guide to organised play). So Advanced Ioun Stones would not be legal
chuckle....
Yes, your PFS character couldn't build the Advanced Ioun stone for 12,000gp to upgrade from a +2 to +4, but you certainly could buy an advanced Ioun Stone +4 for 24,000gp for the upgrade from +2 to +4.
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I was under the impression, from Seekers of Secrets, that if you want a +4 Charisma, you essentially buy 2 +2 Ioun Stones and they stack.
Some ioun stones stack; they're specifically called out. Other's don't.
The crimson spheres give a +2 enhancement bonus to Intelligence and stack. They cost 24 K gp. (Put into a Wayfinder, they give the owner a +1 competence bonus on a Knowledge skill.)
The scarlet and blue sphere gives a +2 enhancement bonus to Intelligence. Multiple stones don't stack. It costs 8 K gp. (Put into a Wayfinder, it gives the owner a +1 untyped bonus on Will saves.)
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Which basically means you cannot do it, as its referencing the magic item creation rules and pricings (that are explicitly removed for PFS by the guide to organised play). So Advanced Ioun Stones would not be legalCaderyn is correct. The section of the book on advanced ioun stones is simply a breakdown of how one would go about crafting higher-level ioun stones. Since crafting is banned in the campaign, this section doesn't need to be called out as also not being allowed. It's just providing some behind-the-scenes math for how the magic items work without actually providing any new rules. While you can upgrade a +1 longsword to a +2 longsword, you can do so because both items already exist in the game. There are currently no rules for an advanced pale green prism ioun stone, so it's not something you can upgrade to, regardless of this section's inclusion in the Additional Resources section or not.
Although putting one on a chronicle sheet may be a nice boon to keep in mind ^_~
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There are currently no rules for an advanced pale green prism ioun stone, so it's not something you can upgrade to, regardless of this section's inclusion in the Additional Resources section or not.
Couldn't the same be said for scrolls of spells? There are no specifically-listed scrolls of magic missiles, so therefore one cannot purchase a scroll of magic missiles for a PFS character? How is this different?
Of course, even if the advanced items were legal, they'd still have to be on a Chronicle sheet to allow access, right? Is Access required to upgrade an item?
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Let me sum it up since it looks like people are starting to pick words apart.
Advanced Ioun Stones are not legal for PFS play. I will update Additional Respurces later this month to alleviate any grey area there might be. If they show up on a Chronicle, then they will be available. If they don't show up on a Chronicle, then they won't be available.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, PAP.