Ok my wife is wanting a spell caster/magic user that does tons of damage. Her exact quote was "All I want to do is kill things". So what class will kill things best LOL. I haven't played any magic users so I'm really clueless about this. I have basic knowledge on some of the original magic using classes but that's it. Any help would be great. Thanks!
Sorcerer, without a doubt. Easy to play, and you get to spam attack spells.
Ok now for which subtype, should she choose?
She will want a bloodline that gets a damage boost: Draconic, Elemental (Primal) or Orc.
Ravingdork posted a build somewhere on the boards for a half-orc cross-blooded fire sorcerer that dealt very nice damage iirc. Maybe he or someone familiar with that build can direct you to it. Good luck!
I built an elemental sorcerer who specialized in electrical energy and he was an amazing damage machine. Give your sorcerer some metamagic feats and metamagic rods and an elemental bloodline with the feat which allows substitution of the type of damage so that she can cast fire or electrical (or acid or cold or whatever) fireballs and she can then blast away even when encountering enemies resistant to one or the other form of energy.
For starters I would actually suggest a Draconic sorcerer. It's iconic, gets nice spells and features that are not too complicated and perception as a class skill.
Tempting as it may look (+2 damage per die in the right combo) I would advise against the cross-blooded archetype. Your spellcasting is slowed down a full level and the will save penalty hurts too, imo.
For starters I would actually suggest a Draconic sorcerer. It's iconic, gets nice spells and features that are not too complicated and perception as a class skill.
Tempting as it may look (+2 damage per die in the right combo) I would advise against the cross-blooded archetype. Your spellcasting is slowed down a full level and the will save penalty hurts too, imo.
Hmm, more damage, now you talking my wife's language! Just want to keep this extremely simple. I got one shot at her liking this and playing, can't screw this up lol!
If that doesn't work, you could always persuade her to play a Buff Wizard. It doesn't seem like a good choice at first, especially with her mindset, but think about it. Do you want to do all the the lifting, or would you rather stay safe, making the party better at killing stuff, or would you rather be the Barbarian who's taking all the damage and about to die? Just another thought. You can ignore it if you choose.
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Here's Ravingdork's character Emporium Link and the link to Roshgog, his fire sorcerer specifically .
It does have the simplicity of just blasting everything in sight, which can be insanely cathartic. However it has the drawback of being a one trick pony. Meet something fire resistant or immune and she'll be frustrated as all get out.
Meet something fire resistant or immune and she'll be frustrated as all get out.
Yea, she wants to be able to use different types of spells so she doesn't run into that problem.
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Gnome pyromaniac fire sorc. Infact Gnome anything. Gnomes rule.
Meet something fire resistant or immune and she'll be frustrated as all get out.Yea, she wants to be able to use different types of spells so she doesn't run into that problem.
Again, take an elemental bloodline and the feat that lets you substitute elemental types for your evocation spells and you've got singular energy resistance defeated. My electrical elemental sorcerer fireballed the living hell out of a red dragon.
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Well the Orc Sorcerer bloodline adds flat damage to all damaging spells so it's not limited to fire only. I would avoid crossblooded in that case and see if she can either go gnome (with orc blood in the past) or a peri-blooded aasimar(my personal favorite)with an orc heritage. Both offer a pyromancer trait.
This will get her a bonus on fire spells and still give her the option to cast something else if needed.
For "damage on everything" i recommend the Orc bloodline. Combined with a Half-Orc you can get +1 damage per two levels with fire spells via the favored class option.
The light sensitivity from the Orc bloodline shouldn't hurt too much if she takes spells that don't have touch attacks. Exchange the orc ferocity with the sacred tattoo racial trait and you get a boost to your saves. nice.
Arcane Bloodline it makes Metamagic easier to use. At level 20 you can use Elemental Spell to change the Energy Type and not suffer increased casting time. Magical Lineage(Fireball) can really be potent as you can cast Fireball without increasing the Spell Level.
Elemental(Air) Bloodline is good with the Elemental Spell Feats but you still suffer from the increased casting time (IIRC).
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I'd personally like to recommend the Synthesist, plain Vanilla Synthesist. Start her off as small, and make it a quadruped with pounce and mount.
(also despite the limited spell selection) Spell slinger Wizard for ray attacks out the wazoo for lots of damage and cool factor...
Barring any of these options working for her.
Like the others have said, Sorcerer with the bloodlines they've suggested.
Again, take an elemental bloodline and the feat that lets you substitute elemental types for your evocation spells and you've got singular energy resistance defeated. My electrical elemental sorcerer fireballed the living hell out of a red dragon.
What's that feat called?
Again, take an elemental bloodline and the feat that lets you substitute elemental types for your evocation spells and you've got singular energy resistance defeated. My electrical elemental sorcerer fireballed the living hell out of a red dragon.What's that feat called?
If you think she'll feel limited with a small spell list, perhaps go evoker wizard. My friend's wife's first character is an elven damage wizard, which she really enjoys. Dropping maximized fireballs and direct damage seems to make her day. Having other spell options and choosing her load-out is fun too.
Just my 2 cents.
I would agree with the thread that sorcerer is the way to go.
As to what to go with from there--my opinion, but very strong one: PLEASE let her build her character herself. In my experience, both as a player and a GM and a GM who runs demos with newbs, creating your own character is the best way to learn how to play a character--it forces you to read the abilities and think about what they do. Handing someone a finished character sheet doesn't do that half as well. I have heard that some do prefer it that way but I have only ever seen it work the opposite.
So you suggest sorcerer, she reads sorcerer (and wizard and witch) and she picks the bloodline she feels reflects what best she wants to play. Absolutely go over it with her, but she makes the choices.
Again, just my opinion, but everything I have ever seen and experienced shows that the people, ESPECIALLY women who were once non-gamers, who stick with gaming are the ones who start their bond with their characters and with learning the rules start by doing their own char gen.
@DQ: I agree. I typically only help my players if they come to me with a question or explicitly ask me for help. Even then I only give them pointers.
Though to me part of the fun is finding ways to make things work. And I live by the motto: "A entertaining defeat is better than a boring victory."
on her roll a flames oracle....in all honest, I like control more then damage (sad I know :( ) but it's all on personal opinion if you wanna literally just burst things down then yeah dragonic/elemintal will do. check out some archtypes might better the output.
EDIT: Also might wanna throw stuff thats not staright up immune to her spells right off the bat she might just rage quit =(
I like Elemental bloodline for blasting. It might not have quite as much oomph as Primal or Draconic but you make up for it with versitility.
Also consider Magus if she wants to swing a sword as well as cast spells.
Meet something fire resistant or immune and she'll be frustrated as all get out.Yea, she wants to be able to use different types of spells so she doesn't run into that problem.
She could still use elemental body or form of dragon I