In the game their is a PC with to much power that can move his consciousness if his body to another body like simulacrum how should I take him out using a wish?
I wouldn't.
And is this as an PC or GM?
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Run, Just Run wrote: In the game their is a PC with to much power that can move his consciousness if his body to another body like simulacrum how should I take him out using a wish? If you want to take him out, don't use a wish. Just ask him.
You can't win someone's heart with magic. It has to be you.
And if it doesn't work out, it just isn't meant to be.
I'm sort of with Kayerloth here, there should be a better way than killing of this PC, however were I to do it (for a good reason) I'd probably focus on trying to use the wish to either nerf that specific ability or maybe if the spell is capable stop that ability entirely. Then he'd either be less powerful not needing to be killed or easier to kill if you're dead set on it.
Although, I'm sure there are better ways of using wish to help you here.
Wouldn't those Trap the Soul spells (or whatever they're called) do the trick? Maybe I'm thinking 3.5 again, though, so ignore me...
Mirror of life trapping? What exactly is the nature of this separation of his consciousness?
Bet you a shiny e-penny that its a beast bonded witch.
If this is from a DM, let him make the wish and do some DM evil and twist it on him.
tennengar wrote: Mirror of life trapping? What exactly is the nature of this separation of his consciousness? great idea except it's way out of my wealth as its 200k
tennengar wrote: Mirror of life trapping? What exactly is the nature of this separation of his consciousness? Android with backup bodies if he is to die.
Why is it a problem?
For that matter, why did you let a player play an android who can body shift at will in the first place?
Wind Chime wrote: Bet you a shiny e-penny that its a beast bonded witch. Nope android wizard.
Rynjin wrote: Why is it a problem?
For that matter, why did you let a player play an android who can body shift at will in the first place?
I'm not dming and I'm not sure, were an evil party and I feel him plotting, he's taken over the base already.
So he's your enemy?
Fair game then I guess.
Any downside to his body shift? Takes lots of time to make a new body or something?
Find his other body and destroy it before taking him on is my advice.
Would also be interesting (though not sure if it would work) to Magic Jar him, destroy his spare body, then kill his main body, and then shift back to your own body.
Essentially, we're dealing with a Manshoon/Dr. Doom issue here. Thought time-consuming, I like the idea of having to track down a method of activating ALL the duplicates/replicants/simulacra you can and letting them fight it out for the top spot. Then, when they're all dead but one and he has drained himself of his best moves/spells/tactics/tricks, walk up and kill the last remaining one.
Rogue duplicates can be nasty... ;)
Evil Party? Problem PC? Android with spare bodies? He's gotta keep 'em somewhere, right? Find out where. Destroy all spare bodies. Kill player. In that order. Problem solved.
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If you're friends with this player, talk to them. PvP is just going to cause hurt feelings.
If you aren't friends with this player, make sure your group is cool with PvP. See above.
People are, on a whole, self absorbed and out of touch. Maybe the player doesn't realize he's ruining other player's fun. If they *do* realize they are ruining other people's fun, and they're doing it anyhow, then they aren't worth spending time with. If they don't realize it, they deserve an opportunity to fix themselves.
All that said? I agree with Barry Armstrong.
Does he only go into a new body when he dies, or can he do it voluntarily?
(never heard of "android wizard")
Rynjin wrote: So he's your enemy?
Fair game then I guess.
Any downside to his body shift? Takes lots of time to make a new body or something?
Find his other body and destroy it before taking him on is my advice.
Would also be interesting (though not sure if it would work) to Magic Jar him, destroy his spare body, then kill his main body, and then shift back to your own body.
I'm not sure of any downsides. The problem is he has the keys to his bodies only and it's technological.
Barry Armstrong wrote: Evil Party? Problem PC? Android with spare bodies? He's gotta keep 'em somewhere, right? Find out where. Destroy all spare bodies. Kill player. In that order. Problem solved. Evil party, he's sort of a problem PC because he waltzed in and took control without any opposition because he was the only one who could control the things inside the house. I don't know if I could get to the spare bodies their under lock and key. I think he may want more control by upgrading my allies who allow it and using mind control.
Redchigh wrote: Does he only go into a new body when he dies, or can he do it voluntarily?
(never heard of "android wizard")
Not sure.
Rynjin wrote: So he's your enemy?
Fair game then I guess.
Any downside to his body shift? Takes lots of time to make a new body or something?
Find his other body and destroy it before taking him on is my advice.
Would also be interesting (though not sure if it would work) to Magic Jar him, destroy his spare body, then kill his main body, and then shift back to your own body.
Is their an item you know of that could use magic jar?
I was thinking some sort sort of permenant incapasitation could work..
Does he breathe? If not, chain him to a rock and throw him in a lake.
Can he be polymorphed? Baleful polymorph, permenancy (would that work?)
Some sort of permenant flesh to stone perhaps?.
Or get him in a cave, stone to mud the ceiling, then when he's covered with mud, mud to stone...
Use non-lethal damage to knock him out, then keep him unconscious.
Alternatively, kill him in an antimagic field.
Perhaps there's a time limit like the reincarnated druid: kill him twice in a 7 day period.
Or find a death affect to throw at him. (Hiring an assassin with the angel of death ability could be possible later...)
Potion of ghost form isnt too high, just walk through the door. Or barricade the door shut permenantly and kill him?
If this power is as strong as you say then talk to the other players and the dm about banning this ability combo.
Redchigh wrote:
Can he be polymorphed? Baleful polymorph, permenancy (would that work?)
I happened across this and it's permanent also I like the throw him in a lake idea, the one problem is I don't know if he can send himself back if he was not dead. One problem I noticed is the main effect is the will save and he has a good will save so he would be able to cast spells
proftobe wrote: If this power is as strong as you say then talk to the other players and the dm about banning this ability combo. The DM oked it and I'm going graveknight so the problem is not over powered. It's not an ability he can control the base it's just that he uses technology since he's an android.
Enlisting the aid of a Devourer might help. How you go about that might be an adventure in itself. Create Greater Undead takes a 20th level caster and spells like planar ally or planar binding might not work since they are undead (extraplanar).
If you do get a chance to negotiate sending one after your enemy, you can offer Charisma buffing items as payment, which will make resisting his trap essence ability tougher.
That's assuming he has a soul of course.
Mikaze wrote: Run, Just Run wrote: In the game their is a PC with to much power that can move his consciousness if his body to another body like simulacrum how should I take him out using a wish? If you want to take him out, don't use a wish. Just ask him.
You can't win someone's heart with magic. It has to be you.
And if it doesn't work out, it just isn't meant to be. There is an entire school of magic devoted to winning someone's heart over! I know, Mikaze meant the player, but this could be viable. Your main problem is that you do not have the key and/or know where extra bodies may be hidden. A mind affecting spell could solve this. Although...will saves are a wizards strong point, and it has a +4 due to race and immunity to emotion. But since this is an evil campaign, you can make deals with all sorts of nasty things to get the job done.
My real question is why the GM let them play an android. I know that it is available in the More Races section, but it seems like it is a perfect race to pull off this immortality. Ah, even my earlier plan might be useless with the nanobot surge giving it up to a 3+character level to a d20 roll per day. Would a fresh body allow another use to that again within the same day? Balance wise, I'd say no, but it was a physical action in an entirely different body...
lemeres wrote: Mikaze wrote: Run, Just Run wrote: In the game their is a PC with to much power that can move his consciousness if his body to another body like simulacrum how should I take him out using a wish? If you want to take him out, don't use a wish. Just ask him.
You can't win someone's heart with magic. It has to be you.
And if it doesn't work out, it just isn't meant to be. My real question is why the GM let them play an android. I know that it is available in the More Races section, but it seems like it is a perfect race to pull off this immortality. Ah, even my earlier plan might be useless with the nanobot surge giving it up to a 3+character level to a d20 roll per day. Would a fresh body allow another use to that again within the same day? Balance wise, I'd say no, but it was a physical action in an entirely different body... I'm not sure why he allowed it, I think partially because some of us have 60K+gp and it's a campaign where we could be one shoted by many things. Also your idea may work because I could by 3 staves of baleful polimorph he can surge only 10 times and he has to make 2 saves each time plus if he fails the first save and surges on the next one he still will not be able to change his consciousness because he will not have the chip that allows him to switch to his new body I think.
Find someone great at technology and have them make a horrible disease to place in the android (a 'virus' maybe?)
Alternatively, buy a bunch of necklaces of fireball, scatter them around the house, and blow up the whole building...
Or get a potion of invisibility and sneak into his "body room" when he opens the door. Or just kill him, and wait until the door opens, bullrush him and his shiny new body into the room, kill him, and coux de gras the bodies before they can wake up.
Thanks keep the ideas coming so I can find the best solution.
Knock him out, stick him in a bag of holding.
Tie bag of holding shut, wrap in masterwork chains, and hang from a long piece of rope..
open a portable hole under the bag, get 50 ft away, and untie the rope so it falls in.
Boom, he's stuck on the astral plane and chained up to boot.
Redchigh wrote: Knock him out, stick him in a bag of holding.
Tie bag of holding shut, wrap in masterwork chains, and hang from a long piece of rope..
open a portable hole under the bag, get 50 ft away, and untie the rope so it falls in.
Boom, he's stuck on the astral plane and chained up to boot.
Wouldn't he just suffocate to death inside the bag and then "respawn"?
Or do Androids not breathe?
On a related note to the breathing:
Are we talking "Inner Sea Bestiary" android or something else entirely?
Rynjin wrote: Redchigh wrote: Knock him out, stick him in a bag of holding.
Tie bag of holding shut, wrap in masterwork chains, and hang from a long piece of rope..
open a portable hole under the bag, get 50 ft away, and untie the rope so it falls in.
Boom, he's stuck on the astral plane and chained up to boot.
Wouldn't he just suffocate to death inside the bag and then "respawn"?
Or do Androids not breathe? No they do not breath
Disintegrate could work. If the ability works like reincarnation, there has to be something left of the body. Ie, destroy the body and the chip before he can 'jump bodies'
Even if you tied him in a bag and he does not suffocate-could he kill himself? Could he open up an access panel or something and 'shut himself down.' Can he respawn from another plain? Does he have a soul or is it all data that gets backed up and saved to download into a blank body later? Too many questions unanswered.
Well whatever you do, make sure it sticks, since this person might be a fairly good wizard if they can pull this scheme off. Discuss with your GM on what would work rule wise. Be sure not to let the player hear about this, or you will find that "Everybody's dead, Dave."
For my experiences with this sort of thing, see here.
Whoa, what if he transferred his "soul" into the house?
You kill him, and destroy his bodies, letting loose a sigh of relief. Suddenly the doors lock themselves....
Maybe find a way to give him amnesia so he forgets about the chip?
Redchigh wrote: Whoa, what if he transferred his "soul" into the house?
You kill him, and destroy his bodies, letting loose a sigh of relief. Suddenly the doors lock themselves....
Do you know of any spells that do this.
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Make sure he is following the rules, for one. Just because his consciousness shifts, doesn't mean his gear does.
For instance, how many spellbooks does he have? If he only has one, you kill him and take it. Now he has to scrounge together enough money to buy a spellbook AND the spells he wants to write down. Ideally, you would kill him when he is low on spells and will have a very limited number left.
Bind a devourer with planar binding and have it store your friends soul in its chest.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/devourer
Alternately, dimensional anchor should prevent him from shifting consciousness seeing as how his soul shifting bodies is probably a form of extradimensional travel.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/dimensional-anchor
@ johnlocke the first may work the second I don't think so because he transfers his consciousness using electronics. Also I'm going graveknight so I could control a devourer.
Run, Just Run wrote: @ johnlocke the first may work the second I don't think so because he transfers his consciousness using electronics. If he is using electronics then all you have to do is jam the signal.
Kill him inside a faraday cage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
Or find out what frequency he is using to send his signal and block it.
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Barry Armstrong wrote: Evil Party? Problem PC? Android with spare bodies? He's gotta keep 'em somewhere, right? Find out where. Destroy all spare bodies. Kill player. In that order. Problem solved. Killing the player just might be seen by some as a somewhat extreme response.
Nice idea but I don't know how much one would cost, I'd have to buy from the technic league.
My favorites so far is bag of holding portable hole and polymorph devourer is a close second.
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