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And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(
I KIND of agree with this... I loved the first one, but I'm not really sure I WANTED a sequel.
The rift was closed, Idris Alba went out awesome... The monsters are gone and the mechs all broken.
Just starting up a new rift and starting all over again... REALLY diminishes the victory feel of the first one :-/
Hopefully they come up with something cool.
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And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(I KIND of agree with this... I loved the first one, but I'm not really sure I WANTED a sequel.
The rift was closed, Idris Alba went out awesome... The monsters are gone and the mechs all broken.
Just starting up a new rift and starting all over again... REALLY diminishes the victory feel of the first one :-/
And, see, to avoid that in the future, seemingly standalone movies will insist on having a very open ending for potential sequels. The self contained narrative of a cool science fiction movie is an endangered species.
That said, Pacific Rim was kinda fun. It's not exactly that I object to a sequel to it, I just want less sequels in general.
I want film (and series-) makers to finnish their script first, then start filming. create a story, decide in how many parts it should be made, make it, and move on to the next project.
not make a half-arsed script, film it, see it is hugely successfull, make a bunch of half arsed scripts for sequels, film those, and continue to milk untill it flops...
I don't think that's what's happening in this case though. Del Toro was talking about sequels from the start. And there are potential openings for sequels left in there as well. After all, Geiszler and Gottlieb (the scientists) drifted with a kaiju, and that could have some long term consequences. Just a thought, but it's one direction they could take.
The aliens might have had a back up plan were a kaiju that can't be detected by our tech was released earlier and lay dormant until the portal was destroy. Give the Kaiju the ability to spawn new types of Kaiju with different abilities and forms. Or like they said if the aliens could create one portal they can create another.
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yeah, wasn't being specific about this film, more of a general feel...I don't think that's what's happening in this case though. Del Toro was talking about sequels from the start. And there are potential openings for sequels left in there as well. After all, Geiszler and Gottlieb (the scientists) drifted with a kaiju, and that could have some long term consequences. Just a thought, but it's one direction they could take.I want film (and series-) makers to finnish their script first, then start filming. create a story, decide in how many parts it should be made, make it, and move on to the next project.
not make a half-arsed script, film it, see it is hugely successfull, make a bunch of half arsed scripts for sequels, film those, and continue to milk untill it flops...
That's exactly my sentiment. I can't *really* be upset about another Pacific Rim (though that nagging possibility that Mountains of Madness could have been done instead is annoying), it's just that my gut reaction to sequels these days is negative.
I mean, in the history of cinema, how many sequels that were only planned after the success of the original movie were actually good (never even mention better)? The Toy Story sequels, for sure. Terminator 2, Captain America 2, X-Men 2... that's about it, right? 95% of sequels are exactly as Nosebiter described them.
I guess Pirates of the Caribbean had a couple of very enjoyable sequels. Indiana Jones, too. And Alien. And Back to the Future.
But, my point still stands. Most sequels are garbage that attempts to grab some money on the back of name recognition of the first movie, that had the actual original idea.
Unfortunately, money is a necessity in this world.
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Unfortunately, money is a necessity in this world.
That might be true for your first billion dollars, after that it's just pure greed ;)
But anyway, look, in this case the director is obviously enthusiastic about the idea. But when studios treat their movies too much like products (they are buying tickets to this movie! make 7 more exactly like it!), watching the movies feels like buying a product, rather than like having fun or experiencing a story.
Would expecting studios to work a *bit* harder to avoid that problem be unrealistic? given the success of the transformers movies, I'd say yes, that's unrealistic. However, one can always hope...
There will be blood II
even less blood...
The one that bugs me is announcing a release date early. Then starting the casting... interviewing directors... and MAYBE looking at scripts...
Just seems backwards to me...
As for sequels... I don't have a problem with Sequels IF the alternative is a 'reboot'. I HATE getting unnecessary reboots just so they can tell us the EXACT same story all over again...Throw a 2 or a 6 or a 12 after the title if you want... and give us a SOMEwhat original plot... Not just the rebooted origin AGAIN....
A Haunting in Connecticut 2: Ghosts of Georgia...
That is my favorite "THIS SEQUEL NAME MAKES NO SENSE"
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del Toro has confirmed that he will direct Pacific Rim 2 and Universal has scheduled the release for April 7, 2017. Reset the War Clock!
del Toro has confirmed that he will direct Pacific Rim 2 and Universal has scheduled the release for April 7, 2017. Reset the War Clock!
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And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(
Doesn't have to be a rehash of the original. This time around, maybe the humans will fight intelligently and deploy submarines and surface ships instead of Hasbro toys.
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If they do, the majority of my reason for wanting to go see the movie will cease to exist.
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And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(Doesn't have to be a rehash of the original. This time around, maybe the humans will fight intelligently and deploy submarines and surface ships instead of Hasbro toys.
they explained why this was a bad idea in the first few minutes of the first movie.
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And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(Doesn't have to be a rehash of the original. This time around, maybe the humans will fight intelligently and deploy submarines and surface ships instead of Hasbro toys.
If I wanted to watch Battleship instead of Pacific Rim... I would have to be very very drunk. And confident enough I could survive the Int drain.
they explained why this was a bad idea in the first few minutes of the first movie.And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(Doesn't have to be a rehash of the original. This time around, maybe the humans will fight intelligently and deploy submarines and surface ships instead of Hasbro toys.
Yeah, think I remember that. Something about how kaiju are magically immune to everything but giant robot fists. Or maybe the world just forgot about all its heavy ordnance, up to and including anti-ship ballistic missiles.
Here's the thing: I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief, but it takes some effort on the part of the writers and director. I'm willing to believe that conventional weapons couldn't bring down the kaiju, just don't establish that fact by having F-22s strafe so close that they crash into the beast. I'm willing to believe that the characters are reasonably intelligent, but only if they don't pull off stunts like leaving a mech's energy cannon online while training the pilots on the Drift controls.
It was a great popcorn flick and all, but I'm going to agree with the thread's title. del Toro dropped At the Mountains of Madness for this?
yeah. It took them forever to bring even one down, and nuking would make earth uninhabitable.
Like I said, maybe this time the characters will fight intelligently and not employ Hollywood tactics.
Let's not even mention that category 5 kaiju survived a nuke. underwater.
So did the mechs. Ladies and gentlemen, the laws of physics were out for lunch.
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Quirel, I don't think this movie was aimed at you.
...and doubt that the next movie will be...
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they explained why this was a bad idea in the first few minutes of the first movie.And my hope for awesome stand alone movies continues to dwindle :(Doesn't have to be a rehash of the original. This time around, maybe the humans will fight intelligently and deploy submarines and surface ships instead of Hasbro toys.
Yeah, think I remember that. Something about how kaiju are magically immune to everything but giant robot fists. Or maybe the world just forgot about all its heavy ordnance, up to and including anti-ship ballistic missiles.
Here's the thing: I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief, but it takes some effort on the part of the writers and director. I'm willing to believe that conventional weapons couldn't bring down the kaiju, just don't establish that fact by having F-22s strafe so close that they crash into the beast. I'm willing to believe that the characters are reasonably intelligent, but only if they don't pull off stunts like leaving a mech's energy cannon online while training the pilots on the Drift controls.
It was a great popcorn flick and all, but I'm going to agree with the thread's title. del Toro dropped At the Mountains of Madness for this?
yeah. It took them forever to bring even one down, and nuking would make earth uninhabitable.Like I said, maybe this time the characters will fight intelligently and not employ Hollywood tactics.
Let's not even mention that category 5 kaiju survived a nuke. underwater.So did the mechs. Ladies and gentlemen, the laws of physics were out for lunch.
anti ship ballistic missile into a populated area.
This is why you will never be president.
anti ship ballistic missile into a populated area.
This is why you will never be president.
Well I guess the idea is to zap them before they get to the populated area. Same goes with the jaegers for that matter; they seem to create just as much destruction as the kaiju themselves...
One mech. And it was far away.
One mech. And it was far inside the blast radius.
Went and saw the movie with engineering buddies, and we had a whole lot of fun with that scene.
anti ship ballistic missile into a populated area.
This is why you will never be president.
There's a number of reasons why I'll never be president, but this is not one of them.
1:An ASBM has a conventional warhead. Next time I mention a weapon system that you've never heard of, consult wikipedia instead of assuming it's nuclear.
2:The whole point is to catch the Kaiju before they make landfall. You wouldn't be firing into a populated area.
3:If your early warning system is good enough, any place a kaiju makes landfall can be considered unpopulated. Everyone is either dead, in shelter, or running away.
4:If you are really, really squeamish about collateral damage, fill the warheads with concrete and let kinetic energy do the job. But in that case, why are you using Jaegers in the first place?
Quirel, I don't think this movie was aimed at you.
...and doubt that the next movie will be...
It mostly boils down to one question: How much idiot plot am I going to have to excuse for the sake of drama? If none, I'll enjoy the movie as much as the rest of y'all. Otherwise, I'll be picking the movie apart with friends and having a ton of fun doing it.
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I was under the impression the entire point of the movie was to have giant robots punching alien monsters in the face.
Anything beyond that is gravy.
That Manly Guys strip made me laugh in hindsight, but I didn't even notice it when I was actually watching the movie. I was too busy being awesomed out by watching a giant robot stab a demonic pterodactyl with a spring-sheath chain-sword.
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One mech. And it was far away.One mech. And it was far inside the blast radius.
Went and saw the movie with engineering buddies, and we had a whole lot of fun with that scene.
anti ship ballistic missile into a populated area.
This is why you will never be president.
There's a number of reasons why I'll never be president, but this is not one of them.
1:An ASBM has a conventional warhead. Next time I mention a weapon system that you've never heard of, consult wikipedia instead of assuming it's nuclear.
2:The whole point is to catch the Kaiju before they make landfall. You wouldn't be firing into a populated area.
3:If your early warning system is good enough, any place a kaiju makes landfall can be considered unpopulated. Everyone is either dead, in shelter, or running away.
4:If you are really, really squeamish about collateral damage, fill the warheads with concrete and let kinetic energy do the job. But in that case, why are you using Jaegers in the first place?It mostly boils down to one question: How much idiot plot am I going to have to excuse for the sake of drama? If none, I'll enjoy the movie as much as the rest of y'all. Otherwise, I'll be picking the movie apart with friends and having a ton of fun doing it.Quirel, I don't think this movie was aimed at you.
...and doubt that the next movie will be...
not once did I mention the word nuclear. That was your assumption, not mine. I am well aware of what an ASBM can do despite the fact that I am not an engineer.
That said, a movie about missiles fired by a guy thousands of miles away from a target is the plot of a rather boring video game (see missile command), not a movie I would want to sit through. Stick with physics demos and the occasional episode of Mythbusters, engineer, I'll be watching giant robots punch monsters and have fun while doing it. Snickering from the peanut gallery will be ignored at first, followed by a demonstration of popcorn ballistics if it continues.
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Long story short, IMO at least, Pacific Rim is one of those movies that gets less fun the more you know about how certain things work in real life, unless you're the kind of person who can turn off that "work brain" part of your analytic psyche when it comes time for entertainment.
If MST3K/Rifftrax'ing it up is the way you get the best fun out of it, by all means, have at it.
Just don't be a douche and do so in the theatre, though.
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Long story short, IMO at least, Pacific Rim is one of those movies that gets less fun the more you know about how certain things work in real life, unless you're the kind of person who can turn off that "work brain" part of your analytic psyche when it comes time for entertainment.
If MST3K/Rifftrax'ing it up is the way you get the best fun out of it, by all means, have at it.
Just don't be a douche and do so in the theatre, though.
Having watched it with a group of mechanical engineers and physics majors, I can say that it is most likely you. Tons of technically minded people have no issue with giant robots killing giant monsters. The movie did not pretend it was about anything else.
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Long story short, IMO at least, Pacific Rim is one of those movies that gets less fun the more you know about how certain things work in real life, unless you're the kind of person who can turn off that "work brain" part of your analytic psyche when it comes time for entertainment.
If MST3K/Rifftrax'ing it up is the way you get the best fun out of it, by all means, have at it.
Just don't be a douche and do so in the theatre, though.
If you come to a movie about giant monsters fighting giant robots expecting it to even vaguely be bound by realism, you don't deserve to enjoy the movie.
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not once did I mention the word nuclear. That was your assumption, not mine.
You whined about collateral damage and implied that Jagers would inflict less damage on a city. Nuclear warheads seemed like a reasonable assumption.
Stick with physics demos and the occasional episode of Mythbusters, engineer, I'll be watching giant robots punch monsters and have fun while doing it.
Now who's making assumptions? I enjoy a wide range of science fiction. Pacific Rim just wasn't one of those, for reasons beyond how hard the science is.
Long story short, IMO at least, Pacific Rim is one of those movies that gets less fun the more you know about how certain things work in real life, unless you're the kind of person who can turn off that "work brain" part of your analytic psyche when it comes time for entertainment.
It is that, yes. But I'd estimate that people like that are a minority. Star Trek, for example, has an inexplicably large following among engineers and physicists.
If MST3K/Rifftrax'ing it up is the way you get the best fun out of it, by all means, have at it.
Just don't be a douche and do so in the theatre, though.
I can be a terrible person to go to the movie with, but I moderate my behavior to suit who I'm sitting next to. A bad movie in an empty theater with friends is going to get the MST3K treatment. A bad movie I'm watching with my brother and his friends is going to be viewed in silence... unless there's a real groaner on the screen.
Tons of technically minded people have no issue with giant robots killing giant monsters. The movie did not pretend it was about anything else.
You're right. I simply hallucinated the 3/4 of the movie devoted to Becket's Hero's Journey from has-been construction worker to Jaeger Pilot extraordinaire, and all the cliches and recycled plotlines that involved.
I very much dislike when people come to a movie expecting something that that movie isn't (for whatever unfathomable reason) and then getting pissed and picking it apart.
It's ridiculous.
Hey, I agree with you. It's just like people complaining that the characters in The Order of the Stick are unoptimized, or people who whine that the Vancian magic system in D&D "Doesn't make sense".
If I can be honest here, what broke the movie for me wasn't the technobabble, or the lousy tactics, or the asinine decisions made by intelligent and experienced individuals.
What broke the movie was that the story behind the fights was a paint-by-numbers affair. I haven't seen much mech anime (some of TTGL, the first season of Code Geass, and at least two others that I can't be bothered to recall at the moment) but I could see the story beats coming from a mile away. Sometimes, a movie does that and is still enjoyable. Sometimes it isn't.
Since half the movie bored me (I came for the fights, and the scientist's subplot was bonus) I had plenty of time to sit and pick apart the technobabble and the tactics. If Beckett's story had more punch to it, I would've gone along with the ride.
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Wow. This really, really isn't the movie for you then.
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What I want is more Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon and more of other Jaegers beating up on kaiju. I don't really give a fig for any of the characters - they were just filler between fight scenes.
What I want is for giant robot fights to be something visable. The middle of the night filming to cut CGI budget sucks. The super fast camera pans to cut CGI budget sucks. I want to SEE the fight in all it's splendor, not see enough that my imagination connects the dots.
What I want is more Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon and more of other Jaegers beating up on kaiju. I don't really give a fig for any of the characters - they were just filler between fight scenes.What I want is for giant robot fights to be something visable. The middle of the night filming to cut CGI budget sucks. The super fast camera pans to cut CGI budget sucks. I want to SEE the fight in all it's splendor, not see enough that my imagination connects the dots.
Now the the movie has made it's money, we may indeed get to see this. Here's hopin, although I don't mind fights at night to save money.
Wow. This really, really isn't the movie for you then.
Probably not. If I see the sequel, it'll be with friends and a whole lot of popcorn.
On a side note, this is how Pacific Rim ended in my headcanon.
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I very much dislike when people come to a movie expecting something that that movie isn't (for whatever unfathomable reason) and then getting pissed and picking it apart.
It's ridiculous.
Well, that depends. Sometimes you think the movie could have been so much more than it actually is, and that disappoints you. For example, when I came to the theater to watch X-Men Days of Future Past I was expecting an intelligent action movie, because I knew previous XMen movies by Brian Singer did that. Maybe the movie is a dumb action piece, and maybe that's what I should have been expecting, but I think it was reasonable to expect it to be something else.
Other examples are of movies based on books (that completely miss the point of the book, or do certain sequences badly, or any of the other myriad ways in which movie adaptations screw things up) - of course you can come to the movie expecting to see some Hollywood style dumbed down version of the story you love, that mostly shares the character names with the book and nothing else (and sometimes, such as in "The Bourne Identity", even those are changed). But I think it's reasonable to expect, or at least hope for, something more than that.
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On a side note, this is how Pacific Rim ended in my headcanon.
That's funny!
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I mean, in the history of cinema, how many sequels that were only planned after the success of the original movie were actually good (never even mention better)? The Toy Story sequels, for sure. Terminator 2, Captain America 2, X-Men 2... that's about it, right? 95% of sequels are exactly as Nosebiter described them.
ALIENS, THE WRATH OF KHAN, BACK TO THE FUTURE II (kind of; the ending of BTTF1 was certainly a cliffhanger, but they only revisited and planned 2 and 3 after 1 was a huge success).
This is a bit different because Del Toro did plan out at least two (possibly three) films whilst the first was still being written.
del Toro dropped At the Mountains of Madness for this?
The studio passed, apparently after (questionably) deciding that the premise was too similar to PROMETHEUS. Also, when they were talking about it, they wanted it to be PG-13 which Del Toro was not down with (he's since changed his mind, however).