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Hello all,
We are running some tables of We Be Goblins tomorrow, and I thought I might bring this up so I can make sure people apply the chronicle sheet correctly.
In We Be Goblins, you have to play a level 1 pregen. You have no choice. However this means that everyone will be affected by the following rule:
If you play a 1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit for her first adventure to a newly created character of your very own.
So, correct me if I am wrong, We Be Goblins, for players, can ONLY be applied as the first chronicle sheet to a new character.
Just want to make sure I understand this correctly.
Thanks,
Terek
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We Be Goblins! is a bit of an exception to the above rule. The rules for credit are in the PDF with the Chronicle Sheet.
Getting Credit
All players who play the entire module receive the attached
Chronicle sheet which may be applied to any 1st- or 2ndlevel
PC as if that character had played the module. A GM
who runs a module may likewise apply credit to any one of
her Pathfinder Society PCs of 1st or 2nd level. The decision
of which character to apply credit to must be made when
the Chronicle sheet is received and signed by the GM.
Because We Be Goblins! is shorter than most Pathfinder
Modules, playing the adventure from beginning to end
earns a player 1 XP and 1 PA. The GM likewise earns 1 XP
and 1 PA for running the entire module. Players do not
make day job rolls when playing a Pathfinder-Societysanctioned
module.
As always, each player may receive credit for each module
once as a player and once as a GM in either order.
EDIT: They should change this PDF to be more in line with the rules for Replaying Tier 1 modules. You can replay this as many times as you'd like, as long you give the credit to the level 1 PC. You can give it to a level 2 PC only once.
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Terek,
As I understand the rules, if you play a 1st-level pre-gen in other contexts, you are even then allowed to apply the credit to a first-level character which already has experience.
For example, a new player at a convention could play two scenarios with a pre-gen and apply those two xp to the same character.
I look forward to being corrected if I'm mistaken.
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Terek,
As I understand the rules, if you play a 1st-level pre-gen in other contexts, you are even then allowed to apply the credit to a first-level character which already has experience.
For example, a new player at a convention could play two scenarios with a pre-gen and apply those two xp to the same character.
I look forward to being corrected if I'm mistaken.
This is how I've always ruled it. If you haven't played the actual character yet, you can still keep applying 1st level pregen credit to that character as long as it's still level 1. Only makes sense to me, and is the best way to keep newer players playing for a gameday or what-have-you.
It's not very clearly worded in the guide, though.
Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane
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This is the way I understand WBG credit (David, I agree the PDF should by updated but I thought the guide would supersede the module PDF).
@Terek, you are correct if the player does not have their own character. If the player already has a level one character, the chronicle can be applied to that character as David stated.
@Chris, I would not correct you on your response as I am in total agreement with that response.
@Yiroep, you would be right as long as the chronicles are not for the same scenario/module.
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Thank you David. As well as everyone else. I see how We Be Goblins is an exception to the rule with the rules they exclusively posted for We Be Goblins. I missed that.
With every other scenario, I don't see how you can have more than one chronicle from a level 1 pregen on a single character, excluding We Be Goblins, when it says
you can apply the credit for her first adventure to a newly created character of your very own.
Emphases added.
The other level pregens say
If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played. You may also opt instead to apply the credit from the non-1st-level pregenerated character played to a newly created character with the GP gained reduced to 500 GP (or 250 for characters using the slow advancement track).
With these I could see how you could argue you could have more than one applied to a level one character because it doesn't say "for her first adventure". The term "newly created character" is very vague.
You all make very good reasons why player should be allowed to play a pregen more than once and apply it to the same character but I don't see how the rules allow it. Unless I am missing something.
I am not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, just trying to make sure our group conforms to the rules as much as possible so we don't have to worry about any problems for doing it wrong. In 4.1, I don't think it was phrased this way so I believe it may have been allowed then.
Like Chris Mortika, I look forward to being proven wrong.
Thanks,
Terek
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Let me put it this way.
Here in Georgia, we have gamedays consistently where there are 2 scenarios run in a day. A lot of times, we'll have someone walk in and want to play, having no idea what it is about or that it was happening. We encourage new players to come in and try it, and hand them a pregen to get them right into the game. Let's say they like the first session so much that they stay for the second one (this is usually the case ;), but don't have time to create a character or in some cases get someone to help them because, you know, the GMs need dinner time. :p
Now, under a very strict ruling, those two games using a pregen they played HAVE to apply to two different characters. Not only is this extraordinarily discouraging to the new players and confusing, it also doesn't seem to make much sense.
It's a loose ruling on it, although I would argue it's not completely wrong. But without it, we risk losing players on a technical issue that really shouldn't matter.
In reality, I would imagine most people would want to play their own character anyway (it's more fun!). The times where this rule would really apply is basically for new players or for players that didn't know they were going to play a low-tier scenario/module that day. I'm sure there are other corner cases, but this should apply to the majority of them.
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Well said Yiroep!!! While it is good to have more than one character, it is situations like you described that new players should be allowed to apply more than one pregen chronicle to a newly created character.
This bring up a question. If you have a player that forgot his character and elects to use a pregen, that player would be allowed to apply the chronicle from the scenario where he forgot his character to his regular PC provided that he is at the appropriate level for the played tier.
I am very interested to see how this develops.
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I think that would depend...we've actually had that happen before.
In my opinion, if they are a new player and it's a level 1 character, give them the benefit of the doubt.
If it's a character that isn't level 1, I would have to say to use the normal pregen rules. Unfortunately, there's really no precedence for forgetting your character sheet, so this is just arbitration at this point.
If there's time, what I usually TRY to do is let them rebuild their character as close as possible to what they can remember. Usually at my tables there's some setup lag-time to do this and the beginning of most scenarios is mostly role-play and mission briefing anyway, the most character-intensive thing involved would be a skill check, usually. This is probably the best solution if it's viable. Obviously this becomes less viable when your character gets into the higher levels.
If it's over level 1, you still have to work with the PFS system. I would argue arbitrating that you could apply it to whatever is too much rule-bending. If they elect to play a pregen, there's really no skirting the pregen rules.
Remember, there are rules for applying higher level pregen credit anyway. If their character is level 8+ (above any pregen level), unfortunately I would be forced to say "tough luck."
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The We Be Goblins module is why I started this thread, however I've had this problem: One particular player never brought his scenario sheets so I wouldn't allow him play his character.
He's played 9 games with me DMing and I believe 2 games with another DM. All with a level 1 pregen. Most of those were before the current season too so this exact wording didn't apply. The other problem is he never brought his PFS# even though he had one. I finally got it from him. Now I am working with him to recreate his scenario sheets.
This problem has also been a headache for me, but I think finally got him to realize what he is missing by not bringing that information. I treat this guy as nice as possible all the while because my assessment of him is he needs it.
Terek
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There is a solution to the "two pre-gens" problem. The player plays Scenario A with her pre-gen, and then takes the pre-gen as her base character. She plays the second scenario and applies experience. Afterards, she can, as per the rebuild rules, redesign the pre-gen to meet her prefeences.
This is a more complicated mechanic than new players need to hear, but it does allow a player to step in to PFS, play two scenarios with a pre-gen, and then build her own character for her third session.
He's played 9 games with me DMing and I believe 2 games with another DM. All with a level 1 pregen. Most of those were before the current season too so this exact wording didn't apply. The other problem is he never brought his PFS# even though he had one. I finally got it from him. Now I am working with him to recreate his scenario sheets.
Terek, even under the most favorable of circumstances, that sounds to me like a guy who has built three PCs to second level.
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As I understand it, ...You can also apply any pregen to a character which is the level of the pregen or greater. ....
No. The level of the pre-gen or lower. So, if you play 7th-level Ezren, you can either turn the gold to 500 and hand it to a new PC, or put the Chronicle on hold for an existing PC until she reaches 7th-level.
But you can't give 7th-level-Ezren credit to your 11th-level PC.
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As I understand it, ...You can also apply any pregen to a character which is the level of the pregen or greater. ....No. The level of the pre-gen or lower. So, if you play 7th-level Ezren, you can either turn the gold to 500 and hand it to a new PC, or put the Chronicle on hold for an existing PC until she reaches 7th-level.
But you can't give 7th-level-Ezren credit to your 11th-level PC.
The only exception to this, for player credit, would be if the player had accumulated more than three, level 7 pregen Chronicles for one character below level 7. As soon as that character hit level 7, all the pregen sheets would be added, advancing that character beyond level 7.