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@BraxtheSage
If you want the PC to run fast for the money try building the PC yourself.
You can save yourself some cash by going with some older gen tech, that is as fast as the most recent, though possibly with less cores
For instance you can select a motherboard that has a Intel 1155 CPU socket ( iCore 2nd and 3rd gen CPUs) over the current 4th gen CPU sockets.
You'll save about $200 to $300 on the Motherboard, and about another $200 to $600 on the CPU.
I built my newest gaming machine under $2K canadian over a year ago, and it can play even the most taxing games, though I had to forfeit any chance of upgrading the CPU any higher as I it has the best CPU for it's socket type.
I can recommend parts if you need them.
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Will this system do? It's $1130.00 at best buy Canada? Good deal?
CyberPowerPC Gamer Ultra Gaming PC (AMD FX-8350/16GB RAM/1TB HDD/Window 8)
The CyberPowerPC Gamer Ultra GUA460 combines compact size with maximum performance, packing a powerful 4.00GHz AMD FX-8350 Vishera processor with 16GB of DDR3 RAM for superlative speed and performance. 1TB of 7200 rpm hard drive space lends ample storage for games and media files, while a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660Ti graphics card delivers crisp, clear picture during fast action games.
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4.00GHz AMD FX-8350 Vishera processor with 16GB of DDR3 RAM
1TB 7200rpm HDD
USB 3.0 port
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660Ti graphics card
24X DVD-RW Dual-Layer Super-Multi Drive
High Definition 7.1 Channel Surround
HDMI output
Windows 8 64-Bit operating system
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Brax,
no one knows the optimum specs for this yet. That being said, I'm sure the rig you are looking at buying will be plenty capable of playing this game, or any other MMO coming out in 2014.
That processor/GPU combo scores around 4k-8k in 3DMark--essentially twice as good as gaming laptops, and maybe 3/4 as good as high end desktop gaming PCs. And it's like a googleplex times better than Ryan's mini.
I'm partial to building with Intel chips, but AMD isn't a bad choice.
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@BraxtheSage
I've read reviews and looked at CPUs since I do PC building,
Intel chips generally have way better performance than it's AMD equivalent.
And if your looking for a motherboard that can take a beating and has excellent performance, I would go with a ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 or Z87, with an i7-4770_ CPU, and for RAM CORSAIR Vengeance with a total of 16GB, either as a twin pack or quad pack.
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I suspect there may be many of us looking at a new machine Q3 2014. 8-(
My current system is quite adequate for non-game use. It may be better to keep game away from other social and work activity (If getting a new machine, why not keep old for old uses).
Would devs publish ()minimal, (2)suggested, (3)good for 3 years expansion suggestions:
- OS Vers
- security (supported/discouraged firewalls)
- CPU
- RAM (is the 8 Gb DDR 3 enough?)
- Disk (would solid state have benefits) size and sped
- Video 'speed, internal support(direct X?), ram (It sounds like NVIDIA GeForce 9400 256 MB is not enough)
- Screen
- Network (anything more that TPS/IP? higher layers
- ISP connection, download and upload speeds, (destinations to test against)
- What did I not list?
There is a design target,now, but I expect that they will discover that what they build will require more than design target. So these would be some comments I would expect to see Q2. Then we can look for a "group" buy/build -- design list.
Is there a "low res" version that works with less graphics -- but what is problems for user?
It is seeming that the computer cost will be 4 times what I have put into PFO.
o R
Lam
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Respectfully that is your opinion.
Both ATi/AMD and Nvidia have a interconnect parallel processing method,
But Overall I would recommend nVidia, why;
CUDA (run programs (or parts) on GPU), Physx (Hardware physics processing) (Nvidia only one with it), 3D Vision (3D monitor and glasses support Nvidia is the only one with it)
ATI also has some tech that only owns, and it's best one is for multi-displays
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Mr. Jones, I doubt it. I currently have a comparable rig, and I recently beta tested a AAA title coming out that likely is in the same class of games as PFO. It was only playable when I was soloing.
Now, you do have * GB of RAM, so if you have the power supply, maybe get a recent card, and see if the card can make up for the processor? What is the PCIe slot on your MB?
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I strongly recommend testing your system against the Pathfinder Online Environment Experience. I originally had some issues with my old Nvidia 250, but my 650 works fine.
I'm not suggesting you should run out and buy a card that can handle the Environment Experience, since the final game is likely to benefit from a more powerful card, but it should at least give you an idea of where you stand.
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Mr. Jones, I doubt it. I currently have a comparable rig, and I recently beta tested a AAA title coming out that likely is in the same class of games as PFO. It was only playable when I was soloing.
Now, you do have * GB of RAM, so if you have the power supply, maybe get a recent card, and see if the card can make up for the processor? What is the PCIe slot on your MB?
Oh how I would love to get a new vid card. Heck Im planning on building a new comp after the new year. Nothing over the top, try to keep it under $900. Of course, Mrs. Jones will have to see the need it. Maybe if something dreadful were to happen to ol reliable.
As for the PCIe slot, the Mobo was top of the line four years ago. So I know it is lagging.
only a couple months away from early access. still no system reqs?
I bought a laptop for like $450 about 6 months ago cuz what I had pooped out and I needed something in a hurry. Im assuming it not going to run very well on it. This is one the most anticipated games for me in a long while though, and I totally don't mind buying something nice to play it on.
I'm gonna wait until just before early enrollment to buy, but im starting to look around now. Still, since my kids were born I haven't kept up on computer tech and I'm nervous ill buy something less than what I need or completely overshoot it. I'm wondering how well it would run on something like this though.
4th Gen Core i7-4700MQ (6MB Cache, up to 3.4GHz)
Windows 8.1
8GB GDDR3L (1600MHz)
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 765M with 2GB GDDR5
Obviously this will run it, but I'm wondering how well. I understand by Ryans statement that there's no way to know for sure yet, but any insight would be appreciated. Ive been out of the PC loop for like 6 years.
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I haven't priced CPUs since I built my desktop but unless the price for an i7 has come down a significant amount I'd stick with the i5 over the i7. You really won't see any difference in gaming performance and you'll save money. If you really want to spend that money, it'd be better spent on improved graphics than in upgrading an i5 to an i7
I haven't priced CPUs since I built my desktop but unless the price for an i7 has come down a significant amount I'd stick with the i5 over the i7. You really won't see any difference in gaming performance and you'll save money. If you really want to spend that money, it'd be better spent on improved graphics than in upgrading an i5 to an i7
ty for pointing that out:)
@Broken_Sextant
Its funny you mention all this because there's another with Windows 7 and an i5, same amount of RAM(8GB) and its like $600 cheaper. The GPU it comes with is a GeForce GT 750M with 1GB GDDR5, which is the only option. How would this compare?
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@Broken_Sextant
Its funny you mention all this because there's another with Windows 7 and an i5, same amount of RAM(8GB) and its like $600 cheaper. The GPU it comes with is a GeForce GT 750M with 1GB GDDR5, which is the only option. How would this compare?
I honestly don't know, my answer would probably depend on your financial situation. Personally I much prefer Windows 7, an i5 is much better value, and who doesn't like having $600 more? And the GPU is reasonable. But I also hate skimping on graphics. The i5 will handle everything PFO will throw at it but it's harder to say how much difference the graphics cards will mean. From doing a little reading, at least it's the 750 with the GDDR5 which is the better version, so I'm really not sure how far behind the 765 it is.
Maybe someone with more expertise can weigh in on the 750M 1GB GDDR5 vs the 765M since to me, whether that difference is worth $600 is the question?I don't really even factor in the i5 vs i7 at all. From everything I've read 99.9% of games see no difference and the i7 is really only significantly better for things like 3d modeling and other high-end graphics designing.
hmmmm... im finding much better deals now that im looking at more than 1 brand. found an asus with an 860M for like $300 cheaper then the one with the 765m. im gonna stop window shopping for now though I think cuz I don't want to get over excited and wind up buying earlier than I need to. is early enrollment still scheduled for july?
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*looks down at the "intel i3" sticker on the front of my laptop*
Was in this position until recently. Having it act up and not hold a charge was a great excuse to buy a major upgrade. I would say that a laptop that no longer overheats at anything remotely computationally heavy is priceless, but my credit card bill says otherwise >.<
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We may never give an estimate. If you have a computer that runs most MMOs reasonably well, your computer will run Pathfinder Online reasonably well.
But you will give minimum and recommended requirements?
Because if you don't, besides being a giant middle finger to the people who won't be able to run PFO and I assume won't get a refund from you, FYI you may run into problems with German and European consumer protection law.
So may want to look into that.
We may never give an estimate. If you have a computer that runs most MMOs reasonably well, your computer will run Pathfinder Online reasonably well.But you will give minimum and recommended requirements?
Because if you don't, besides being a giant middle finger to the people who won't be able to run PFO and I assume won't get a refund from you, FYI you may run into problems with German and European consumer protection law.
So may want to look into that.
I think he just meant during early enrollment. I'm sure they'll be able to state minimum and recommended requirements at open enrollment. I don't see how they could get around it
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The only way to determine minimum requirements is going to be for a lot of folks to run the game and for us to get a sense of what is working and not working. This isn't like the old days where you had to worry about a version of windows or some crazy hardware feature. The only thing that will be meaningful to anyone with a relatively modern computer is the video card.
If your computer runs Windows 7 or 8 reasonably well, or OSX Mavericks reasonably well, you'll probably be able to run the game reasonably well. How "reasonable" is reasonable will be a factor of the video card (and to a lesser extent given the modernity of the systems the CPU and the system RAM).
Since we're doing business in the US, and selling our software from the US, color me unimpressed with concerns about European consumer protection law. If we ever create a nexus of operation in Europe, then we'll worry about it.
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The only way to determine minimum requirements is going to be for a lot of folks to run the game and for us to get a sense of what is working and not working. This isn't like the old days where you had to worry about a version of windows or some crazy hardware feature. The only thing that will be meaningful to anyone with a relatively modern computer is the video card.
If your computer runs Windows 7 or 8 reasonably well, or OSX Mavericks reasonably well, you'll probably be able to run the game reasonably well. How "reasonable" is reasonable will be a factor of the video card (and to a lesser extent given the modernity of the systems the CPU and the system RAM).
Since we're doing business in the US, and selling our software from the US, color me unimpressed with concerns about European consumer protection law. If we ever create a nexus of operation in Europe, then we'll worry about it.
So I have to assume that this is a yes on "we are not gonna tell you what you need to run PFO and not gonna give you refund if you can't" then.
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...we are not gonna tell you...
Please remember that companies who attempt to do so have to test literally thousands of combinations of various hardware elements, as the PC market has never bothered to get its act together enough to smooth that particular part of the development road. Goblinworks is a small studio that, as of now, doesn't even have code to begin testing, much less to give answers.
We've heard nothing indicating they intend ever to be large enough to accomplish an industry-typical investigative effort on hardware requirements. They're thus doing what's possible for a shop their size: working their code toward a broad, general, specification, with an apparent particular caution directed at video cards.
It seems a good compromise between what's possible for them and what's not, but that compromise--as all others--won't be sufficient for some folks' level of risk-comfort. People who choose not to chance the $15 to try a subscription will have made their decision; we who invested in the Kickstarters did so knowing, at those early dates, that there was no way to ensure our hardware could run the final product, and we voted our hopes and goodwill.
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So I have to assume that this is a yes on "we are not gonna tell you what you need to run PFO and not gonna give you refund if you can't" then.
I hope you didn't expect to get a refund from Kickstarter should you not like the game... Hell, there's still a real possibility that the game will flop and we won't have a game to not enjoy.
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I'm not talking about my kickstarter donation. Or anyone's kickstarter donation. I'm talking about when this game will be in open enrollment and as per Ryan's second last comment there might not be a system requirement statement by GW.
Kickstarter risk is fair game. Spending money on out of beta product without not knowing if it will run is absolutely not.
Also; equating not liking a game to a game not running on a system is a gross misrepresentation of my point,
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I'm not talking about my kickstarter donation. Or anyone's kickstarter donation. I'm talking about when this game will be in open enrollment and as per Ryan's second last comment there might not be a system requirement statement by GW.
Kickstarter risk is fair game. Spending money on out of beta product without not knowing if it will run is absolutely not.
Also; equating not liking a game to a game not running on a system is a gross misrepresentation of my point,
With Open Enrollment possibly a year or more away, it's likely they'll have a much better idea by then of what's needed, and the answer might well be very different.
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There've been plenty of stories of companies just making up something to put in their Minimum and Recommended specifications, so I doubt anyone'll be able to tell what level of testing GW does if they just put whatever they do know in any disclosures they're required to make. Where they face disclosure-requirements may influence their decisions about where to market their game.
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Honestly I have been greatly disappointed with goblinworks attitude towards their possible player base, in particular Ryan Dancey. Somehow it seems he/goblinworks thing that our takeing part in all of this is a privilege that we should be grateful for, and not they they should be grateful for the money and interest in their perspective game. If I also noticed that the attitude started after the kickstarter, once they got their money things changed. If I were today to make the same decision about pathfinder online, I would be of the wait and see, and in no way would I ever give a company money upfront who has the attitude goblinworks is protraying via Ryan Danceys posts. Also who can not even give a decent estimate minium spec of there game when they are about to go into alhpa. Also the fact thier is s signifact euro presence in the game already, one should not just say we dont care about the portion of our comunity "which is what i took from that statement may not be what he intended to convey". As for the potability the game is going to flop, yes that was a known risk, however what they portrayed and how they acted in their kickstater verse post kickstarter has been significantly different to me. I read these forms fairly often and know their is a core of people who praise anything goblin work says, does, or thinks, and some of it is praise worthy, however their player interaction is anything but, in particular Ryan Dyancey's posts in the last month or so.
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Honestly I have been greatly disappointed with goblinworks attitude towards their possible player base, in particular Ryan Dancey. Somehow it seems he/goblinworks thing that our takeing part in all of this is a privilege that we should be grateful for, and not they they should be grateful for the money and interest in their perspective game. If I also noticed that the attitude started after the kickstarter, once they got their money things changed.
Well, they did have to dip pretty deep with the goodies. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there's a little bit of buyer's remorse when they look at what they've committed for what they got. I'm not saying that would be right or wrong, but there's probably a little extra pressure to deliver on so much stuff in exchange for a relatively small up-front investment from us.
And I'm well aware that for lots of us, those investments were not inconsiderable, but in terms of deliverables, (and assuming they can deliver) it remains a good deal for the KS backers.
Finally, I don't know Ryan, but it's just barely possible that his background isn't in customer service....