Some advise on a Paladin Build, please?


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This character is a PFS character as such all advice needs be PFS legal.

Nasir is a lv 4 Human (Keleshite) Paladin of Sarenrae, he was rescued from the clutches of slavery by Andoran Freedom Fighters, who literally fought for his freedom, and Nasir feels he owes thier group a life-debt and is therefore Andoran Factioon.

I used my racial +2 in Cha, and have also used my leveling point there

HP 40
AC 19 (touch 13, flat footed 16)

Str 13
Dex 16
Con 14
Int 9
Wis 7
Cha 18

Traits :
Captain's Blade
Illuminator

Feats :
Power Attack
Weapon Finesse
Dervish Dance

What other feats would be suggested?

I currently have him with a Mithril Breastplate, and a +1 scimitar and a few other odds and ends... I am looking at getting the War Kilt of Sarenrae from Qadira, Gateway to the East as well as the +2 Dex Ioun Stone, as it's resonant power is Improved Unarmed Strike while in a Wayfinder.

I was thinking maybe taking Snapping Turtle Style for a shield bump to AC, or Dodge, but any suggestions would be welcome.


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If you want a bump to AC I think dodge is the better bet. It's a prerequisite for a lot of other feats that you may want to take some day, and doesn't require you to spend for Improved Unarmed Strike.

Maybe ask your GM about his or her interpretation of how Dervish Dance works with feats like Two Weapon Fighting. By RAW, it doesn't specify that you only get your Dex bonus to damage with the scimitar, and by some interpretations you could gain your Dex to damage with other attacks.

And there are ways to get extra attacks without holding a weapon or shield in your off hand (and thus disqualifying you from using Dervish Dance). For example, getting TWF and using armor spikes is one way to get in another attack; a gauntlet, cestus, or similar weapon that leaves the hand free may also work, depending on how your GM feels about it. These are all light weapons, and so they'll at least work with Weapon Finesse.

Even if you don't get your Dex to damage with all attacks, it may still be useful to take TWF for when you're smiting and making a full attack.


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Don't get an ioun stone for +2 dex. Get a belt for that. The +2 will cost half as much, and you'll be able to upgrade to +4 later.

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Fromper wrote:

Don't get an ioun stone for +2 dex. Get a belt for that. The +2 will cost half as much, and you'll be able to upgrade to +4 later.

In my opinion the War Kilt of Sarenrae is superior to the Belt of Dex and since they take up the same slot i was looking at the Ioun Stone as a potential alternative, but im not 100% sold on it.

I appreiciate your opinion.


I’d never take a minus buy to INT or Wis for a Paladin. A foolish Paladin? I’d take Hospitaler, and Selective channeling. If you take str 14 and Dex 14, then you can have a 17 In CHA and 10’s in INT & Wis. Then Wpn finesse only gets you a +1 to hit, so why? Dervish dance gets you only a +1 to damage. You can have power attack, wpn focus, shield focus.

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Dr. Deth: Advice on the stats doesn't really help when the Pally is already level 4. You also can't use a shield with Dervish Dance.

Anyway, I too am actually running a Dervish Dance Paladin (level 3), though she worships Shelyn.

A feat I'm considering is Greater Mercy, which essentially turns any status-healing effect that your mercy doesn't need to cure into more HP. This is great because it makes your conditional mercy ability more broadly useful, and it scales with the number of mercies you get (and how often do you see scaling feats???).
You've also got the charisma to maybe look into Ultimate Mercy, which lets you use 10 uses of lay on hands to cast Raise Dead for no gold cost!

Also, since you'll be using a scimitar, Improved Critical and Critical Focus could also come in handy. I'm just not sure whether it's better to buy a keen scimitar, to take the Improved Critical feat with it, or to rely on the bonded weapon. If anyone else has advice on that, I'd appreciate it as well!

Power Attack can lead to Cleave and the Cleave chains.

If you've got diplomacy, Antagonize looks like it's good for tanking (the last time I checked, I believe it's PFS legal--it's in UM if you want to check?).

And since your charisma is high enough to get you a good amount of lay on hands, here are some neat use-lay-on-hands-for-more-things feats:
Radiant Charge: Turn all your remaining LoH uses into damage (1d6/LoH + Cha) on a charge.
Reward of Grace: Get +1 to attack in a round if you use LoH (maybe just go for Weapon Focus instead?).
Reward of Life: Heal yourself by healing others.
Word of Healing: Use LoH at range (with half effectiveness).


mechaPoet wrote:
A feat I'm considering is Greater Mercy, which essentially turns any status-healing effect that your mercy doesn't need to cure into more HP. This is great because it makes your conditional mercy ability more broadly useful, and it scales with the number of mercies you get (and how often do you see scaling feats???).

I think you've read that wrong. Greater Mercy only ever gives a single d6 of bonus healing.

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mechaPoet wrote:

Dr. Deth: Advice on the stats doesn't really help when the Pally is already level 4. You also can't use a shield with Dervish Dance.

Anyway, I too am actually running a Dervish Dance Paladin (level 3), though she worships Shelyn.

A feat I'm considering is Greater Mercy, which essentially turns any status-healing effect that your mercy doesn't need to cure into more HP. This is great because it makes your conditional mercy ability more broadly useful, and it scales with the number of mercies you get (and how often do you see scaling feats???).
You've also got the charisma to maybe look into Ultimate Mercy, which lets you use 10 uses of lay on hands to cast Raise Dead for no gold cost!

Also, since you'll be using a scimitar, Improved Critical and Critical Focus could also come in handy. I'm just not sure whether it's better to buy a keen scimitar, to take the Improved Critical feat with it, or to rely on the bonded weapon. If anyone else has advice on that, I'd appreciate it as well!

Power Attack can lead to Cleave and the Cleave chains.

If you've got diplomacy, Antagonize looks like it's good for tanking (the last time I checked, I believe it's PFS legal--it's in UM if you want to check?).

And since your charisma is high enough to get you a good amount of lay on hands, here are some neat use-lay-on-hands-for-more-things feats:
Radiant Charge: Turn all your remaining LoH uses into damage (1d6/LoH + Cha) on a charge....

I enjoy the greater mercy and ultimate mercy feats, I'll probably do those, with Radiant Charge between them so I can bump my CHA by then.

Thank you for the great advice.


Belarias wrote:
Fromper wrote:

Don't get an ioun stone for +2 dex. Get a belt for that. The +2 will cost half as much, and you'll be able to upgrade to +4 later.

In my opinion the War Kilt of Sarenrae is superior to the Belt of Dex and since they take up the same slot i was looking at the Ioun Stone as a potential alternative, but im not 100% sold on it.

I appreiciate your opinion.

I'm not seeing how that skirt is superior to the dex belt at all. Are you sure you're naming the right item?

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Blueluck wrote:
mechaPoet wrote:
A feat I'm considering is Greater Mercy, which essentially turns any status-healing effect that your mercy doesn't need to cure into more HP. This is great because it makes your conditional mercy ability more broadly useful, and it scales with the number of mercies you get (and how often do you see scaling feats???).
I think you've read that wrong. Greater Mercy only ever gives a single d6 of bonus healing.

Awww, looks like you're right. I guess it was just too good to be true. I feel like this makes it not really worth it, except as a stepping stone to Ultimate Mercy...

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An extra d6 of healing almost every time you lay on hands is still not a bad thing to have.

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Lastoth wrote:
Belarias wrote:
Fromper wrote:

Don't get an ioun stone for +2 dex. Get a belt for that. The +2 will cost half as much, and you'll be able to upgrade to +4 later.

In my opinion the War Kilt of Sarenrae is superior to the Belt of Dex and since they take up the same slot i was looking at the Ioun Stone as a potential alternative, but im not 100% sold on it.

I appreiciate your opinion.

I'm not seeing how that skirt is superior to the dex belt at all. Are you sure you're naming the right item?

The +2 Natural Armor as well as a bonus on Acrobatics, as well as effectivly having the feat Step Up once per day are why I'm debating it, and with the option of using an Ioun stone to get the same bonus as the other belt slot item I want is why I was, and still am to be honest, debating the kilt.


Fromper wrote:
An extra d6 of healing almost every time you lay on hands is still not a bad thing to have.

I agree. Especially if you have a high CHA (lots of uses per day) and you do a lot of swift action self-healing. Even more if you also have Fey Foundling adding +2 healing to each d6.

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