Illusion immunity.


Rules Questions


I had a dispute with my players last night about Illusion immunity, and I wondering if someone here could clear it up. If an enemy is "immune to illusion spells", does this include spells like invisibility? As in, can it see creatures effected by the spell?


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How does one get immunity to illusions?


Goggles of true sight?


Immunity to certain types of spells means that the recipient of the immunity is unaffected by them. Invisibility does not affect viewers (except for a variant of mass invisibility invented by some powerful archmage which makes everyone around blind*). It affects creature that is invisible.

*:
An old joke from an April-fools issue of a local rpg magazine.


The creature in question is a Taiga Giant in RotRL. It says in the stat block "immune to enchantment and illusion spells."


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I'm not really sure how you can be immune to an external effect.


Ravingdork wrote:
I'm not really sure how you can be immune to an external effect.

Being blind makes one immune to visual effects and gaze attacks.

Otherwise, it could be "supersenses" (like thermal vision).


Ravingdork wrote:
I'm not really sure how you can be immune to an external effect.

That's actually very similar to what I said (I'm one of Lee's players).

I offered that being immune to illusions/enchantments means that the Taiga Giant cannot be the *target* of illusion/enchantment spells.

Not that current spells of the illusion/enchantment school (such as invisibility) have zero effect on him.

It begs the question, would the giant see an illusion, let's say I cast an illusion spell to make a ball appear in my hand. Does the giant see the ball? The illusion isn't targeted at him...

Kinda the same with invisibility. The *target* of the spell is the invisible creature, not the giant.

I believe that's the clarification he's looking for.


Ravingdork wrote:
I'm not really sure how you can be immune to an external effect.

Not all illusions are external: phantom killer/weird and other phantasms. In other cases external effects affect the creatures directly: color spray (and other patterns too) or being blasted with shadow evocation-produced fireball. Those are illusions that affect creatures and thus will be of little use against Taiga giant or other creatures that would share its immunity to illusions.


Christopher Lee wrote:
The creature in question is a Taiga Giant in RotRL. It says in the stat block "immune to enchantment and illusion spells."

I think this just means illusions targeted on THEM don't affect them and they automaticly disbelief the ones interacting with


I suppose it means the target auto-succeeds on saves vs. illusions.


Ciaran Barnes wrote:
I suppose it means the target auto-succeeds on saves vs. illusions.

Yeah, that is pretty much what we came up with. I was just wondering if there were any othe rulings.

Also...now who's stalking who, Barry?!?!


Christopher Lee wrote:
Ciaran Barnes wrote:
I suppose it means the target auto-succeeds on saves vs. illusions.

Yeah, that is pretty much what we came up with. I was just wondering if there were any othe rulings.

Also...now who's stalking who, Barry?!?!

Muahahahahaha! Ha-ha! Ha!

Stalking or not, I actually wanted to see what the community's thoughts were on the question...


best i can come up with is:

srd wrote:
Immunity (Ex or Su) A creature with immunities takes no damage from listed sources. Immunities can also apply to afflictions, conditions, spells (based on school, level, or save type), and other effects. A creature that is immune does not suffer from these effects, or any secondary effects that are triggered due to an immune effect.

it makes mean lean towards the opinion that you are immune to targeted effects.


So would duergar see illusory writing on a wall?


My thoughts on "Illusion Immunity":

1) Blind - If you can't see the illusion then you can't be effected by it. This holds for illusions that require sight. I.e. Figments and Glamers. Not all illusions require sight, however, so you can effect a creature with one of these types of illusions as long as you rely on senses that the creature has. An example of such a creature would be an Ooze.

2) True Seeing - Your not immune to illusions but you see right through them. Note the SEE part of this. True sight does not make you immune to illusions. You are still susceptible to illusions that use other senses and illusions that are mind effecting. True seeing creatures are a lot like a blind creature in regards to illusions.

3) Immune to mind effects - Not all illusions are mind effecting but some are. I.e. Pattern and Phantasm. An example of such a creature would be a Plant.

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Sorry to necro, but my party is about to face the same Taiga Giant mentioned upthread.
One of my players uses mirror image all the time, which is an illusion spell.
My question is does the illusion immunity allow the giant to ignore the mirror images?


I would say no. Only illusions targeted on him, though I would destroy one of his images per attack no matter how badly the giant missed. No RAW for that though, just me.


If you miss by 5 or more, you actually hits an image anyway.

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I have just looked at it and think that read as intended it would not be able to see an invisible creature because one of the spells it can get with spirit summoning is infant see invisibility. It would not make sense you have that as a spell it can cast with the same ability making it immune to that effect. Just my input on the matter though.


I would treat it like what golems have. Immunity to spells means perfect spell resistance against those spells.

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Azten wrote:
If you miss by 5 or more, you actually hits an image anyway.

Isn't that 5 or less?

Quote:
If the attack misses by 5 or less, one of your figments is destroyed by the near miss.

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