Since permanence on Enlarge Person is severely limiting, any other ideas?
Perhaps since Bestow Curse allows you to make your own curse, you could inflict the six inches taller cursed item drawback on yourself?
Thoughts, suggestions?
Can Alter Self be made permanent?
Maybe you can Wish your character were 6 inches taller.
I don't believe so.
A summoner of 18th level or higher has enough evolution points to give himself the Large evolution.
Yar.
Alter Self cannot be made permanent via permanency except through Rule 0.
The GM may allow other spells to be made permanent
However, a Hat of Disguise is only 1800 gp, and lets you use Disguise Self at will.
You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between.
If you don't want to rely on a persistent magical effect/items, want a subtle change that doesn't change your size category (Permanent Enlarge Person), and you don't want to/can't rely on Rule 0 (ie: asking for a naturally occurring growth spurt), you can use a Wish, Miracle, or maybe even a Limited Wish spell to have a cosmetic change to your character.
There may be other ways, but I'm at work right now, so can't really dig too deeply into this at the moment.
EDIT: a more expensive version would be casting Disguise Self yourself and wearing a Ring of Continuation (Ultimate Equipment). 42000gp, but makes Personal spells of 10min/level last 24 hours. Still not a true height increase, nor truly "permanent"... but an option. ^_^
~P
I don't mind persistent magic, but Perm. EP lowers your AC, which I can't afford as a sorcerer.
Do you think the Bestow Curse would work?
Well, technically, I suppose it would be possible, since being a foot taller would not be more powerful and effect than a permanent -6 to a stat....but would it go along with the spirit of the spell? Usually a curse is supposed to give a negative effect.
Maybe if you added a joking amount of bad luck with the spell. Nothing combat related, but make being so tall an annoyance, for example you might smack into door way/ceilings. If your GM forces you to take a mechanical penalty to justify calling it a curse, maybe take a -1 to things like acrobatics basically. Weak sauce curse, but it is technically allowed by the spell.
Well, being made either six inches taller or shorter is on the drawback table for cursed items.
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Why didn't you just make your character taller when you created them?
Since permanence on Enlarge Person is severely limiting, any other ideas?
Perhaps since Bestow Curse allows you to make your own curse, you could inflict the six inches taller cursed item drawback on yourself?
Thoughts, suggestions?
Wht is your ultimate goal with this? Are you looking for a purely cosmetic size change within your existing size category or are you looking to become Large/Huge/Collosal/Etcetera? How big do you want to get?
Do you want this as a full time change of size or one you can call on at will or something else?
Is this a theoretical exorcise or are you trying to make a specific character larger?
If the answer a specific character, what resources does that character have access to? For example I bet Wish or Miracle can do something to permanently make you bigger but you may not have access to them.
characters can have subtle growth spurts too. no rule stops it, just don't make them too quick and too sudden. like the 5 foot tall human climbing to 7 feet the next day. but something like 5'6" to 5'8" over the course of a few weeks is more tolerable.
Why didn't you just make your character taller when you created them?
I already maxed the height in character creation.
Since permanence on Enlarge Person is severely limiting, any other ideas?
Perhaps since Bestow Curse allows you to make your own curse, you could inflict the six inches taller cursed item drawback on yourself?
Thoughts, suggestions?
Wht is your ultimate goal with this? Are you looking for a purely cosmetic size change within your existing size category or are you looking to become Large/Huge/Collosal/Etcetera? How big do you want to get?
Do you want this as a full time change of size or one you can call on at will or something else?
Is this a theoretical exorcise or are you trying to make a specific character larger?
If the answer a specific character, what resources does that character have access to? For example I bet Wish or Miracle can do something to permanently make you bigger but you may not have access to them.
I should elaborate on the character's backstory.
Half-Elf Sorceress, aberrant bloodline, tired of how the elves treat the halfbreeds, she intends to eventually become the ruler of the elves, using her magic and her charisma. (20 charisma and climbing)
Her desire is to increase her size and her charisma to become so alluring, commanding and charismatic that she can attract many followers at will, build a great army and conquer the elves.
Once she becomes ruler, she plans on shaming the elves into treating other races with respect and dignity.
The thinking is basically, she's already a stunningly beautiful, 6'4" redhead half-elf who uses her beauty to get ahead, and if people are attracted to her and willing to follow her now, imagine how many followers she could attract at twice the size.
So eventually, yes, the goal is to become significantly larger, but it's a long campaign, and I want it to be a process, have her reach her goals a little at a time, so for her, growing a few inches is a start, puts her on the path towards her goals.
Despite how it sounds, the character isn't evil, so she doesn't want to screw her party over in her quest for power and glory, which is why I'm trying to find ways to get her there a little at a time, because with the storyline we're playing through, a wish would have a lot of use to the party so using it for that wouldn't fit with the campaign.
Monstrous Physique is a Third Party feat from Rite Publishing that allows you to play a Large Character. You could ask you GM if you can apply it anyway.
buy a scroll of polymorph any object
polymorph yourself into yourself +6 inches (insert joke here! har har!)
the change is so slight it will be permanent based on the spell, no other effect needed.
buy a scroll of polymorph any object
polymorph yourself into yourself +6 inches (insert joke here! har har!)
the change is so slight it will be permanent based on the spell, no other effect needed.
The problem with this is that you cannot do that. You can never polymorph into a specific creature, even yourself. It is in polymorph subschool rules.
To the original problem, have you ever considered (since your a sorcerer) researching an original spell that will make you grow in the fashion you desire? Talk to your GM about it.
Are you sure your half elf isn't compensating for something? A wand with a short spell trigger perhaps?
buy a scroll of polymorph any object
polymorph yourself into yourself +6 inches (insert joke here! har har!)
the change is so slight it will be permanent based on the spell, no other effect needed.
The problem with this is that you cannot do that. You can never polymorph into a specific creature, even yourself. It is in polymorph subschool rules.
To the original problem, have you ever considered (since your a sorcerer) researching an original spell that will make you grow in the fashion you desire? Talk to your GM about it.
so a half elf polymorphs into a 6 inch taller half elf, whats to say he doesnt look the same? is any gm going to force you to randomly roll characteristics like hair and eye color? what if you cast it again? will you look like a different half elf, or is there one generic version that anyone who polymorphs into a half elf has to look like?
that gets into really useless nit-picking. there is no reason polymorphing yourself into your own race would make you look that much different than you are, and if a gm is being that nit-picky, especially since youre paying 3000g for something that really has no game effect as far as game mechanics go (and would probably make you weigh more, which is always worse), you should probably just find another game.
Just make yourself 6'10 like you want, treat it as a form of giant-ism, same thing Seranov said.
Why do you think being taller makes you more attractive?
That i dont get, as your height isnt going to make any more attractive, it wont help you with conquering the elves due to being charismatic ext.
Otherwise i would just go with the spell research as that would also make alot of sense, but it should only be able to be used once on any one person, ext as you want it to balance out with EP, unless higher lvl spell.
Are you trolling or something? This is almost obviously a giantess/amazonian fetish fuel character...
That's also a pretty strange life goal/aspiration.
Honestly, it's not anything like that.
It has a lot to do with how we've built our story.
The idea behind the character is to pump her Charisma up as much as possible, the size is merely flavor, basically she's trying to appear almost godlike to the point that people can't help but follow her.
The size thing is only a small part of the character arc, but it helps tie everything together.
Also, increasing a size category or two will help her Intimidate score, which I am raising as high as I possibly can.
Intimidation isn't necessarily about threatening or bullying people, it can also be about being so charismatic, awe inspiring and dominating that your mere presence attracts people to you and makes them want to associate with you.
Bear in mind, a lot of this is backstory and won't affect the week to week campaign for the most part, this is mostly planning ahead for the endgame, but the one thing our DM has emphasized is as long as you role play things out and do the research, he'll let you get away with things.
Besides, he's already having a lot of fun toying with my character, her looks are getting our party in trouble as often as they bail us out, just last session we went into the underdark where a handsome vampire saw her and immediately set out to make her his bride.
Which ended up bailing us out when a powerful, evil old vampire wizard also saw her and stole her body, but his nemesis, the vampire, figured it out and helped free her.
Which is another reason for her desire to be bigger, her beauty gets her into a lot of scrapes and if she gets big enough, nobody will try to pull any of that garbage on her anymore.
i think he means it is difficult to operate in normal society being that big. just think of gandalf in bilbo's house in lord of the rings, where he keeps hitting his head on stuff.
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Honestly what the OP is describing sounds more like he wants a Helen of Troy, she is ooohh awwww all so pretty that everyone wants her, but people don't flock to her because they think her beauty will make her a good leader.
In this case Cha is beauty and leadership ability though, so you are set on that front, but maybe try to show you are not just pretty, that you really are a good leader.
At 6'10 she is bumping her head on everything already, short of the grand designed places.
And just because your tall doesnt mean people won't want to pick fights with you.
It is still just as common today that people of the shorter height tend to be more personality of showing the big people. (aggressive in that regard)
so a half elf polymorphs into a 6 inch taller half elf, whats to say he doesnt look the same? is any gm going to force you to randomly roll characteristics like hair and eye color? what if you cast it again? will you look like a different half elf, or is there one generic version that anyone who polymorphs into a half elf has to look like?
that gets into really useless nit-picking.
The game rules state they don't look the same. If you read the polymporph subschool rules in the book it answers all your questions.
It is to prevent all polymorph spells from dong what they give you now AND being perfect disguises and allowing a caster to impersonate anyone you want and thereby making the spells even better than they already are (which is pretty nice already).
It also preserves the disguise skill as usefull to have.
As with anything you can always rule 0 it to anything you want but I think they limitations were put in there for good reason and game balance. Most of Paizo's changes ususally are.
Hm, I honestly think her goal of becoming a ruler through her looks is quite selfish imo but it's not my campaign so whatever.
Also,I wonder, what do you mean by Enlarge Person being too limiting? If you make her large via other means she'll get all the penalties without the +2 Str bonus from the spell itself, although I reckon that wouldn't be too useful for a spellcaster...How tall do you want her to get anyway?
Well, the idea is she wants to rule because she wants to teach the elves that the other races aren't inferior, something a half elf like her has had to deal with a lot.
She means to lead them to an Age of Enlightenment, and use her power and influence to create a world where tolerance between the races isn't limited to adventuring parties.
And what I mean by limiting is I really don't like the loss of AC, which as a sorceress is hard enough to come by as it is, if it was Righteous Might, that would be a different story, but I know you can't make that permanent.
It's a shame there's not something between the two, maybe an Improved Enlarge Person where you get the Str bonus, the Dex penalty and replace the -1 to attack and AC with a natural armor bonus.
I'll never understand why your AC would suffer, if you're twice the size, logically your skin is twice as thick.
Besides the point, anyway.
It's not about bonuses, it's about mitigating the penalties.
Honestly what the OP is describing sounds more like he wants a Helen of Troy, she is ooohh awwww all so pretty that everyone wants her, but people don't flock to her because they think her beauty will make her a good leader.
In this case Cha is beauty and leadership ability though, so you are set on that front, but maybe try to show you are not just pretty, that you really are a good leader.
At 6'10 she is bumping her head on everything already, short of the grand designed places.
And just because your tall doesnt mean people won't want to pick fights with you.
True, but she's not stopping at 6'10".
I figure at most she'd go up two size categories, maybe three.
Think about halfway to an Elysian Titan, and she'd only get there at the end of the game, basically her ending cutscenes, if you will.
Her spell list started with trickery and such but now she's doing a lot of damage, so she'd be more of a mix between Helen of Troy and Xena.
She'd be in the battles, not just watching.
Not wowing the elves, wowing the army I use to fight them.
Oh,you want to go up a lot of size categories. Well then...different thing entirely
Since you are an aberrant sorcerer, why not just ask your GM to allow you to get cosmetic growth spurts as you level? I mean, by definition you have a weird anatomy and physiology. Ask if you can get another inch every three or four levels. I doubt that would be much of a problem, prevents you from losing the effects due to a random dispel or an extremely necessary remove curse, and it works within the flavor of your character's background.
Oh,you want to go up a lot of size categories. Well then...different thing entirely
Since you are an aberrant sorcerer, why not just ask your GM to allow you to get cosmetic growth spurts as you level? I mean, by definition you have a weird anatomy and physiology. Ask if you can get another inch every three or four levels. I doubt that would be much of a problem, prevents you from losing the effects due to a random dispel or an extremely necessary remove curse, and it works within the flavor of your character's background.
It's something I've considered, after all, Long Limbs is a feature of The Aberrant Bloodline, and it might help stop the rest of the party from saying my bloodline makes me some kind of tentacle monster.
Here's a thought, if I used wish, what would be the best way to word it?
After all, Wishes corrupt themselves easily, I don't want to wish to be 20 feet tall and turn into a statue or a drooling ettin.
How has this gone 30+ posts without a Skee-Lo reference?
How has this gone 30+ posts without a Skee-Lo reference?
Do I even want to know what that is?
How has this gone 30+ posts without a Skee-Lo reference?Do I even want to know what that is?
He performed the song I Wish. The very first line is "I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller..."
Giant hide armor would let you become huge.
Only for 15 minutes a day.
The easiest way is probably to find a carnival or fair and drop a gold piece into a 'Zoltar Speaks' machine.
The easiest way is probably to find a carnival or fair and drop a gold piece into a 'Zoltar Speaks' machine.
Generally, it's probably best to avoid carnivals in the game, things never go well.