see bone breaker below:
Benefit: When you make a successful Stunning Fist attempt against an opponent that is grappled, helpless, or stunned, you can forgo any other Stunning Fist effect to deal 1d6 Strengthvor Dexterity damage to that opponent.
Now I may be weird but an attempt to me is rolling a die. does this mean I don't have to actually succeed with a stunning fist attack just put out the effort to try?
When you connect with it you can choose to deal 1d6 Dexterity damage instead of Stun.
They still get a save though.
No, you need to succeed at the stunning fist.
then why the word attempt why not attack or hit?
it makes it sounds like the success is linked to the word "attempt" like did you roll the dice, then you have made a successful attempt.
not the fist hitting the enemy, and they failing the save
it makes it sounds like the success is linked to the word "attempt" like did you roll the dice, then you have made a successful attempt.
not the fist hitting the enemy, and they failing the save
It says; "When you make a successful Stunning Fist attempt..."
Meaning you used Stunning Fist and it worked successfully.
It doesn't say; "When you make a Stunning Fist attempt..."
The successful part means you hit with the Stunning Fist and they failed the save, or how else would it be a successful attempt?
it makes it sounds like the success is linked to the word "attempt" like did you roll the dice, then you have made a successful attempt.
When you roll the die, you're making an attempt.
If you miss, or if they make their save, then the attempt was not successful.
In order to use Bonebreaker you need to succeed at the attempt.
The feat just replaces the stunning fist effect with ability damage.
it makes it sounds like the success is linked to the word "attempt" like did you roll the dice, then you have made a successful attempt.
not the fist hitting the enemy, and they failing the save
It says; "When you make a successful Stunning Fist attempt..."
Meaning you used Stunning Fist and it worked successfully.
It doesn't say; "When you make a Stunning Fist attempt..."
The successful part means you hit with the Stunning Fist and they failed the save, or how else would it be a successful attempt?
you rolled the Dice? you said out loud I am making a stunning fist attack
DM: did you rollME: yes i missed
Dm: great try (attempt) Apply bone breaker damage.
AM I really the only one who thinks this is worded weird? why not use the word Hit or strike not attempt an attempt is to try the word by itself does not even mean success.
you rolled the Dice? you said out loud I am making a stunning fist attack
DM: did you roll
ME: yes i missed
Dm: great try (attempt) Apply bone breaker damage.
The attempt was not successful, so there is no Bonebreaker damage.
Look at it this way: Bonebreaker replaces the stunning fist effect. If you miss, there is no stunning fist effect, so there's nothing to replace.
AM I really the only one who thinks this is worded weird?
Probably.
why not use the word Hit or strike not attempt an attempt is to try the word by itself does not even mean success.
Correct, you can attempt something and either succeed or fail.
An attempt by itself just mean you have to try.
A successful attempt means you have to try and you have to succeed.
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OH I get it.
The feat doesn't mean you have to succeed at attempting to do it, it means your attempt must be successful.
Okay just me then....
AM I really the only one who thinks this is worded weird? why not use the word Hit or strike not attempt an attempt is to try the word by itself does not even mean success.
Because successful attempt is pretty self explanatory.
You tried. You succeeded. You can do Bonebreaker.
You tried. You didn't succeed. You can't do Bonebreaker.
you rolled the Dice? you said out loud I am making a stunning fist attack
DM: did you roll
ME: yes i missed
Dm: great try (attempt) Apply bone breaker damage.The attempt was not successful, so there is no Bonebreaker damage.
Look at it this way: Bonebreaker replaces the stunning fist effect. If you miss, there is no stunning fist effect, so there's nothing to replace.
AM I really the only one who thinks this is worded weird?Probably.
why not use the word Hit or strike not attempt an attempt is to try the word by itself does not even mean success.Correct, you can attempt something and either succeed or fail.
An attempt by itself just mean you have to try.
A successful attempt means you have to try and you have to succeed.
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OH I get it.The feat doesn't mean you have to succeed at attempting to do it, it means your attempt must be successful.
grick That is how I am reading it.
Rynjin, Lobolusk - did anyone ever tell you that you guys look REALLY similar? It is just uncanny!
"Wow, you successfully picked up those dice and managed to roll them, without poking your own eye out or setting the table on fire...go ahead and apply Bonebreaker, regardless of the hit result, since your attempt was so successful."
I am the best GM ever.
Rynjin, Lobolusk - did anyone ever tell you that you guys look REALLY similar? It is just uncanny!
We're twins.
Wish they allowed custom avatars on this site, I'm used to being able to tell people apart by their avatars on forums that allow them. Doesn't work too well when "You, and 108 other people" use the same one.
Of course the whole 108 people/Buddhist Monk thing isn't lost on me.
Rynjin, Lobolusk - did anyone ever tell you that you guys look REALLY similar? It is just uncanny!We're twins.
Wish they allowed custom avatars on this site, I'm used to being able to tell people apart by their avatars on forums that allow them. Doesn't work too well when "You, and 108 other people" use the same one.
Of course the whole 108 people/Buddhist Monk thing isn't lost on me.
yep It freaks me out i keep seeing my picture and I think I didnt post that!