Tusked Trait and Full Attacks


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

I have a level 1 Nagaji Paladin. I took the "Tusked" trait (via the adopted trait) in order to give my character functional and developed fangs. At level 1, if I full attack with my great sword, do I also get a bite attack? Originally I didn't think so, but a recent discussion on natural attacks made me unsure.


Yes, you will get the bite attack if you full-attack.


Tusked is not a trait that I'm aware of. If you're talking about the Half-Orc optional thing that gives a bite attack, you can't take that via adopted. Adopted gives you a racial trait--i.e. something from this list here.

If you do get a bite attack though, yes, you'd get the sword attack at normal BAB, and the bite at -5 (though it'd only deal 1/2 str damage if it hits)


Cheapy wrote:
Yes, you will get the bite attack if you full-attack.

The bite will be at a -5 to hit, though.


mplindustries wrote:
Tusked is not a trait that I'm aware of. If you're talking about the Half-Orc optional thing that gives a bite attack, you can't take that via adopted. Adopted gives you a racial trait--i.e. something from this list here.

Tusked is a trait from Orcs of Golarion that gives you a bite attack. It's not on d20pfsrd.com for some reason.


Cheapy wrote:
mplindustries wrote:
Tusked is not a trait that I'm aware of. If you're talking about the Half-Orc optional thing that gives a bite attack, you can't take that via adopted. Adopted gives you a racial trait--i.e. something from this list here.
Tusked is a trait from Orcs of Golarion that gives you a bite attack. It's not on d20pfsrd.com for some reason.

What the heck, d20pfsrd? This is the second time in about 15 minutes that you've had to explain what something was because it wasn't updated. Weird. Thanks, though.


Not sure about tucked, and I may add it again to d20pfsrd since I swear I saw it there once, but not too many people volunteered to help get UE uploaded. So only some of UE is there, while they trudge through the rest.

Shadow Lodge

How does a full attack work if I take two weapon fighting? Do I get a bite at -5, an attack at -2, and another attack at -2 (assuming light weapons)?


Astral.Modernity wrote:
How does a full attack work if I take two weapon fighting? Do I get a bite at -5, an attack at -2, and another attack at -2 (assuming light weapons)?

You'd get two weapon attacks at -2 each, and a bite at -7.

Silver Crusade

Always calculate natural attacks and armed attacks seperately. Assuming you're using light weapons, and have TWF your weapons are BaB+STR-2, and your Tusk would be BaB+STR-5 (its treated as a secondary attack when used with armed attacks)


No, the penalty you take for things like TWF, Flurry of Blows, Rapid Shot, etc. penalize all your attacks for the round.

Can you show some kind of reference to support what you're saying? Because I don't think there's any reason to believe natural weapons get to ignore those penalties.


It's from another thread but as far as I know its correct:

Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
TWF penalties only apply to manufactured weapons.


One of Sean's most recent posts was talking about the penalty you take when TWFing with unarmed attacks, so that can't be right.

Grand Lodge

Some people just want two weapon fighting penalties to apply all the time.

Look at another weapon too long and, BOOM, penalties all around.

Sorry, old rant.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

intuitively it makes sense: you're fighting with two weapons, its harder to do, so you're distracted, and it gives you a penalty.

RAW I can't find anything to support one side or the other. TWF feat and combat section only refer to penalties to main and off hand weapon attacks. The possibility of combining that with natural attacks didn't seem to occur to developers writing the entries at the time.


After further consideration, I change my answer. The attacks would be at -2, -2, and -5.

The penalties from two weapon fighting explicitly apply to specific hands (-6 to primary, -10 to off; changed to -2 to each when you have the feat), and natural attacks use neither hand.

However, using Rapid Shot, for example would be -2, -2, -7. That penalty is applied to all attacks, not just to attacks from specific hands.

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