I am not at all disliking this RP that we're doing right now, and the NPCs are very fun. However, I have to say when Niles said about the attacks by the gargoyles, and the whole 'roll perception at 4:45 am' thing came along, I was all excited, thinking, "Oooh nighttime gargoyle attack!"
I'm running my rl campaign tonight (once again...no progress lol) and I'm running several errands so my posts will be sparse through tomorrow afternoon.
Ruul, just as an aside, a ring of sustenance doesn't prevent you grom eating, just stops penalties if you don't.
Every function you deny makes you a little less alive.
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I brought this up before and got no comments, which also means no objections. Unless there is quick disagreement, Calendir, Azaraunt crafted a first level Pearl of Power for you his second day waiting for the boat. This used 500 GP of the groups resources. He also crafted a Symbol of Mirroring for 100 GP of group resources. He wears this symbol on his red and black robes.
I never did see the silver & cold iron MW daggers added to any list. Did I miss that? If not, can we confirm it somewhere?
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Why were we bothering to get the daggers masterwork? That sounds like an unnecessary expenditure that I would object to.
1. If something has DR silver or cold iron, it probably has a high AC, so you need all the + you can get.
2. The price for the MW silver daggers from Crazy Zack's was outstanding !!
3. Don't get one if you don't want. Macavity would like a MW silver dagger. He already has a cold iron weapon.
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On the MW silver daggers...
LM warned us about werewolves and are offering them to us a +65% discount. Everyone should be issued them.
About the pearl of power and spell component...
The wizard component is the same cost as adamantine weapon blanche, it's a special consumable. It should be treated equally.
I understand the reluctance of the pearl from a fairness point of view. However, it's not like Calendir was able to benefit from Azeraunt's crafting discount on initial outfitting. If he wants it and it will benefit the group, I would say track the personal expense as a draw on future amounts. And it's not like the pearl can't be used by anyone anyway. Besides, if Azeraunt has more downtime to craft everyone should be able to benefit.
my two coppers
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It does.The silver punching dagger can be had for 40gp, but it's considered masterwork for combat purposes (not enchantments, treat the +1 to hit as part of the formula, like normal) (there's a glut in the local market and no one can get rid of the stuff at the moment). However, due to a shortage on 'cold iron' (blame the military), the cold iron punch dagger is going for 55gp. As for the embroidery/trinkets, 50gp/lb is a fair price. You can get a lot packed in before it weighs a pound on a regular scale.The silver punching dagger is a great deal! Everyone should get one. Does it have the -1 penalty to damage like alchemical silver weapons?
Macavity already carries a cold iron weapon, so doesn't need a cold iron dagger.
The MW silver dagger is 40 gp. I can't find LM's original post, but here is LM agreeing with my quote of him.
I don't remember Calendir or myself asking for the party to purchase mass quantities of weapon blanche... with the exception of the one silver and cold iron and 150 arrows that I wanted a caster to carry for Align Weapon. He and I both have our own stash. However, I've forgotten quite a lot in my years.
As for the fairness issue again... just include 8 accounts in the party fund to track personal expenses. It will all workout.
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I agree with the daggers. They're cheap and everyone can use them.
The component cost I still disagree on. This wasn't the component cost for a Restoration we're talking about. This was for a personal mirror image. I don't really see it as the same category as the weapon blanch. That said, I didn't really like spending gold on weapon blanches either as there's really only one or two characters in the party that can take full advantage of them.
As it is we've invested a notable chunk of the 'party fund' for stuff for one or two people.
Weapon Blanches - 1300 gold
Pearl of Power I - 500 gold
Symbol of Mirroring Component Cost - 100 goldThat's almost 2000 gold (over 10% of our party fund) invested in three people...
Hey Ruul,
First of all I do want your comments, which is why I kept asking. But...
Please read the spell I am talking about casting before you are so critical (3 negative posts and I guess you still had not looked into the spell I recommended). Symbol of mirroring is not at all for me. Its much more for you. I know the spell Mirror Image and prep it, so I am already covered. Its an entire party buff that is absolutely fantastic! Once cast it lasts indefinitely until triggered. I can activate it before we enter a dangerous area. and once I activate it each party member gets a single mirror image that lasts 70 minutes. If the image is hit, it goes away, but reappears at the start of my turn. That is basically a 50% miss chance for each party member for 70 minutes for 100 gold.
Next, The daggers were punching daggers only as far as I know. I asked if regular daggers might be available at the same price and never got a response (that I saw anyway). These are martial weapons, so not everyone is proficient in their use. I am not. Witches and clerics are not. etc. And I have already purchased silver and cold iron weapons as I consider that basic protocol.
And lastly, I agree its a lot to just give 500 gold to the ranger. So let him choose to owe the gold to the party fund if he wants the pearl. That's fair. Its up to him. And it does not waste a day of potential crafting.
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Its all good, but I do want you to understand the goodness of that spell.
Stoneskin cost more, and is no where as good. This thing works for the entire party. I have been amazed at its effectiveness in past games.
Of course if you had cut a better deal on the boat we would have plenty of money... :P
On another note, who ordered the weapon blanches? I do no recall that.
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Regarding the pearl - It was talked about, but never actually discussed, though I did ask about it quite a few times. In any case, I would rather if you would strike it out Ruul - I have a thing with owing money, and Calendir even more so - Let's just keep it simple and assume that I do not have that extra Pearl :D
Regarding the blanches - Yep, I did not actually need any since my character already had all those that he needed, including adamantine, silver, cold iron, and ghost touch. But I can agree that it can and will probably be useful to some of the party members, mainly for those that did not have any, and in the end to all of us.
I'm ok with all the charges and money spent (I am assuming the 2000+ gold pieces in silk and linen are for our tents or something similar?), but please take out my pearl of Power.
Now, let's GO! :D
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As I said, I don't need the blanches since I have quite a few, but those were not all bought for me were they? In any case, ofc I want them, they are extremely useful, if the group agrees in having them.
(Or are you asking about the silk and linen?)
I'm lost, but again, I agree to the gear list as it is, thanks for removing the pearl :D
Hey Ruul,
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Next, The daggers were punching daggers only as far as I know. I asked if regular daggers might be available at the same price and never got a response (that I saw anyway). These are martial weapons, so not everyone is proficient in their use. I am not. Witches and clerics are not. etc. And I have already purchased silver and cold iron weapons as I consider that basic protocol.
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According to OGC punching daggers are light simple melee weapons. Personally I prefer regular daggers to get the opportunity to do slashing damage, too. But at 40 gp, they're a steal! Buy them in bulk!
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Numair will inspect one each of silver and cold iron daggers. He whirls them a couple of times, and shrugs at their balance. They are too short to dance properly with.
He will take a pair only if Ruul s particularly insistent. Otherwise, the money should be spent on something that will better benefit the party.
I'll note it down.
I'm not a big fan of Azaraunt's personal buffs being paid for by the party.
The running log of the party's wealth is located here.
Only the first tab is really important.
I've updated the party treasury on my end, but you are still off by 1 iron bit (it's 347)
I did the purchasing and i think I should explain a few things. The weapon blqnchew were purchased on the possibility that we might be stuck in a situation where we're running out of silver or cold iron ammo, and have no easy way to get back to a place where we can purchase them. We could perhaps reduce the total but I think it's better safe than sorry. I'm totally in favor of crafting useful items and using spell components that benefit the whole party. My philosophy is "Do not bind the mouths of the kine who tread the grain."
If people object to the blanches, Elen will happily share the cost with Calendir or anyone else who wants to.
As for the silk and linen, that's for the purposes of clothing, bandages, bedding, and trade goods. Trade goods can be sold for their cost so we've effectively just converted our gold into a different form of currency.
Elen purchased a silver and cold iron punching dagger fir situations where she needs to Coup de Grace a slumbering or otherwise unconscious enemy. It's Simple, but wizards don't explicitly get proficiency - perhaps LM will rule that proficiency with a dagger counts as proficiency with a punching dagger. For CdG, crit multiplier is important, but not range.
I deducted the cost of the daggers from my own wealth, but if the arty is willing to pay for them, I'll quite happily have that back ^_^
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Unfortunately Numair's only spells are from bard, so I can't benefit from that awesome rule. He gave up paladins spells for warrior of holy light.
Like Ruul, he enjoys life's requirements. He loves to sleep because he dreams. Early to bed, early to rise is his motto. And he's usually praying at dawn, and is therefore quite oblivious to his surroundings then.
Speaking of enjoying life, Numair would probably be a paladin of Sheyln if she were a bit more martial, and he was less patriotic.
Also, LM, did you ever rule on Wayfinder + Ioun Stone interaction? Are we using the default combinations or rolling for random effects on the table?
I've seen a couple people mention this so I think there's some confusion.
Time of Day
A divine spellcaster chooses and prepares spells ahead of time, but unlike a wizard, does not require a period of rest to prepare spells. Instead, the character chooses a particular time of day to pray and receive spells. The time is usually associated with some daily event. If some event prevents a character from praying at the proper time, she must do so as soon as possible. If the character does not stop to pray for spells at the first opportunity, she must wait until the next day to prepare spells.
Thus Ruul, Lavinia, Cal, and Numair don't actually need any rest to get their spells back.
LM, are you requiring everyone to rest eight hours to get their spells back by default?
If they have a ring of sustenence, or a similar item (some have a certain ioun stone that works the same way) then it is only 2 hours. Otherwise, yes I do ask for a full 8 hours of prep time/rest.
Unfortunately Numair's only spells are from bard, so I can't benefit from that awesome rule. He gave up paladins spells for warrior of holy light.
Like Ruul, he enjoys life's requirements. He loves to sleep because he dreams. Early to bed, early to rise is his motto. And he's usually praying at dawn, and is therefore quite oblivious to his surroundings then.
Speaking of enjoying life, Numair would probably be a paladin of Sheyln if she were a bit more martial, and he was less patriotic.
Also, LM, did you ever rule on Wayfinder + Ioun Stone interaction? Are we using the default combinations or rolling for random effects on the table?
I lost the link to that table originally. If someone can post it, then we can do the random rolls. You'll just need to note it in your crunch so we don't forget later.
To clarify, the 8 hours includes prayers/witches burn/wizard prep. I am assuming that, on average, it takes an hour to gain your spells for the day, and the rest is meditation or sleep.