I have a question about spells vs. extracts concerning the requirements for becoming an arcane trickster.
To qualify to become an arcane trickster, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria.
Alignment: Any nonlawful
Skills: Disable Device 4 ranks, Escape Artst 4 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 4 ranks.
Spells: Ability to cast mage hand and at least one arcane spell of 2nd level or higher.
Special: Sneak attack +2d6
If I were to take Minor Magic as a rogue talent and choose mage hand as my 0-level spell, I would have that part of the Spells requirement finished (since alchemists don't get 0-level spells).
So would having four levels of alchemist and being able to prepare 2nd level extracts count as being "able to cast. . . at least one arcane spell of 2nd level or higher".
I know you're not "casting", you're creating an extract, but it's still arcane magic that has the same effect. And the wording of "ability to cast" was written before the APG, but in my opinion the intention is that you can use arcane magic, whether you are casting or preparing extracts.
Minor magic doesn't give a spell, and SLAs are not spells.
Alchemist aren't arcane casters. They aren't casters, and they aren't arcane.
So no, you can't do it with just rogue and alchemist.
or you can use Vivisectionist alchemist to qualify for sneak attack, and some arcane for spellcasting
No. an alchemist is not a spellcaster.
In effect, an alchemist prepares his spells by mixing ingredients into a number of extracts, and then "casts" his spells by drinking the extract
Although the alchemist doesn't actually cast spells he does have a formulae list. . . An extract is "cast" by drinking it. . . .
I don't like the extensive use of "cast" in the APG because it leaves it up to interpretation either way. I was thinking about this in PFS context too, so it would be nice to have a clear decision.
By which I mean, I'd like if someone could point me to a PFS FAQ or similar thread that clarified this.
Minor magic doesn't give a spell, and SLAs are not spells.
Minor Magic (Sp): A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 0-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. This spell can be cast three times a day as a spell-like ability.
You're still casting it even if it's a spell-like ability so I don't think "the ability to cast mage hand" is an issue.
Even if the alchemist was a caster, they are not arcane at all. They aren't divine either. they're alchemists. They are never defined as either arcane or dviine.
Here's my compilation of why SLAs aren't spells the last time this came up. It also touches on the alchemist to get into Arcane Trickster.
I really like the idea of it, and an alchemical trickster would be nifty...but it's just not the rules. Doubly so for PFS.
I'm just going to answer my own question with the description of alchemist in the paragraph before the Role.
"Rather than cast magic like a spellcaster, the alchemist captures his own magic potential within liquids and extracts he creates. . . .
Sometimes the answer is right there in front of you. Too bad, that would have been such a good idea.
developer corraboration too. This link cover both extracts not being spells and SLAs not being spells, and more importantly, SLAs never counting as spells for anything that requires spells.
Hope that helps!
ah, if this is for PFS ignore my Vivisectionist comment, they are banned in PFS. (alchemist/wizard/arcane trickster would be neat though)
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Ressurrecting this, considering the ruling on SLA's counting for PrC's.
A trait can get you mage hand 1/day SLA, and tiefling darkness SLA can get you the 2nd level spells requirement.
While not legal in pfs, a tiefling Vivisector could satisfy all the requirements for entry. But would "spells per day" advance their alchemist caster level ? It seems reasonable to house rule, just wondering how grey the area is.
Likewise a pfs legal rogue 3/arcane 1 can enter this prc via SLAs, that's already pretty clear. Just curious on the alchemist front.
