I'm so pissed, and so is my little friend.


Advice


Hey all.

So I was helping my wife with her Ranger (just hit 4th level) and she wanted an AC. Anyway she settled on a Badger (apperently it's "cute")

Anyway, what I found intresting was this

Badgers Rule wrote:
Special Attacks Rage (as a barbarian, 6 rounds per day)

Not some "kinda rage" not some "psudo rage" but real barbarian rage.

It seems that Badgers are really upset for some reason.

So I got to thinking how can we work with this for another character?

I'm thinking someone with rage (barbarian, or take the rage domain) and somehow use some of the teamwork feats for rage?

Give our little buddy a 3 int so he can take all the feats and load up on rage feats? (extra rage, raging vitality)

really this is just a half formed idea based on the thought of an angry Badger, so come on guys help me form it into something fun.


The PFSRD entry on animal companions explains the number and type of feats allowed. (You have to scroll down a bit to find the Feats explanation.)


right, or if you give it 3 int it can take any feat it can use.

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Wait, there's a domain for rage? There's also a domain that gets you an animal companion! RAGING CLERIC-AND-BADGER TEAM FTW!!!

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Ooo go half-orc and use the Sympathetic Rage ability! Or give him and yourself the Amplified Rage ability so both of you get +8 Str and Con!

Edit: Mwa ha ha! Found it, Ghlaunder has both Animal and Destruction domains. May have to say the badger is rabid to push the infection thing.


See? now this is what I was talking about, and yeah being half orc helps.

You could also do it as a cav to grant the teamwork feats to your buddy. that way he can get the ones that require him to also be a half orc.


Ya know, Clerics don't have to worship a deity. It's completely within the rules to be a cleric that has the Animal and Destruction domains, so long as you justify how the two fit together as a goal or belief of the cleric.


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I like where this is going. It's like Scooby-Doo, except with uncontrollable rage.

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Harrison wrote:
Ya know, Clerics don't have to worship a deity. It's completely within the rules to be a cleric that has the Animal and Destruction domains, so long as you justify how the two fit together as a goal or belief of the cleric.

"I AM A CLERIC OF RAGEBADGER!!!"

Seriously though, this will vary based on campaign setting. Golarion, for instance, only has deity-affiliated clerics. (This is why the Separatist archetype exists: to allow clerics in such settings an option for custom domain pairs, albeit at a price.)

Shadow Lodge

. . . IM A CLERIC OF "Honey Badger Doesn't Care". . .


Jiggy wrote:


"I AM A CLERIC OF RAGEBADGER!!!"

This is why we need signatures on the forum.

And deal lord, please Jiggy, stat out a cleric of Ragebadger.

Grand Lodge

Be sure to check out some of the Teamwork Rage feats.


Jiggy wrote:
Seriously though, this will vary based on campaign setting. Golarion, for instance, only has deity-affiliated clerics. (This is why the Separatist archetype exists: to allow clerics in such settings an option for custom domain pairs, albeit at a price.)

Where exactly do you get this from? The rules are explicitly stating that a cleric does NOT need to be following a deity. I always took the corerules to be golarion-oriented.

Scarab Sages

Kalridian wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously though, this will vary based on campaign setting. Golarion, for instance, only has deity-affiliated clerics. (This is why the Separatist archetype exists: to allow clerics in such settings an option for custom domain pairs, albeit at a price.)
Where exactly do you get this from? The rules are explicitly stating that a cleric does NOT need to be following a deity. I always took the corerules to be golarion-oriented.

Devs and various Golarion sourcebooks have all said that Golarion only has Deity-centric clerics. PFS also holds you to the deity requirement. Golarion is mostly core.

Grand Lodge

PFS is the only place where deity only Clerics restriction exists.

Scarab Sages

blackbloodtroll wrote:
PFS is the only place where deity only Clerics restriction exists.

You can home-play however you want, but JB and the Golarion sourcebooks have stated that Clerics in Golarion gain their powers from deities.


How do you get the badger to 3 INT? the starting stats show 2 INT

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Kalridian wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously though, this will vary based on campaign setting. Golarion, for instance, only has deity-affiliated clerics. (This is why the Separatist archetype exists: to allow clerics in such settings an option for custom domain pairs, albeit at a price.)
Where exactly do you get this from? The rules are explicitly stating that a cleric does NOT need to be following a deity. I always took the corerules to be golarion-oriented.

Ehh... They're kinda/kinda not Golarion... All the hardback books are supposed to be setting-neutral (something that keeps having to be explained to PFS players who don't get why X was banned when it doesn't seem overpowered), but the glaring exception is that they listed Golarion deities in the CRB - I'm guessing the only reason such a setting-specific thing went in is because customers wouldn't be too happy about buying a CRB but then having to either invent an entire pantheon or buy a separate supplement in order to just play the friggin' game. :/

Grand Lodge

Still not a RAW restriction.


Ed Wiscombe wrote:
How do you get the badger to 3 INT? the starting stats show 2 INT

You put his 4HD stat bump into Int


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Still not a RAW restriction.

While this is true for the Pathfinder RPG, it is RAW for PFS and as that is the sub-system a lot of us play, for some it is RAW.

This is also why the sepratist archtype is out there.

And if you really want to debate it can you do it in another thread?

Your raining on the parade that is RAGEBADGER!!!

Grand Lodge

Wait, there is no RAW for some, but not for others.

Either it is RAW, or Houserule.

Shadow Lodge

You can always use the Ability Score Increase you get at level 4 to boost the companion's Int to 3, which allows the Animal Companion to learn any skill or feat, not just the ones specifically allowed for animals.

Now I want a Ragebadger.

Scarab Sages

Weirdo wrote:

You can always use the Ability Score Increase you get at level 4 to boost the companion's Int to 3, which allows the Animal Companion to learn any skill or feat, not just the ones specifically allowed for animals.

Now I want a Ragebadger.

The Ragebadger cometh!!!

....And he's pissed.


As a note, one doesn't have to worship a deity with both of the domains to get them both. Just worship one that has one of those two domains and take the Separatist archetype.

Separatist reduces the level of one of your domains though. Probably best to take a deity with destruction/rage and use separatist for the animal companion. You probably don't want to get the badger at 4th level and then have to wait until 10th level to get that rage after all. It's easier to wait for 6th level to get the badger with the rage coming at its usual 8th level.


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Wait, there is no RAW for some, but not for others.

Either it is RAW, or Houserule.

So a Rule that is Written in an official book about Golarion that says "In the world of Golarion, all Clerics must worship a deity. There are no Clerics of concepts," is not a Rule as Written? It's a houserule?

Grand Lodge

It's a home game, so it's not relevant whether it's RAW, for this group.

Grand Lodge

Anogetz has both the Animal and Destruction Domains.

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Thefurmonger wrote:
And deal lord, please Jiggy, stat out a cleric of Ragebadger.

Rawrface (20pt buy)

CN Half-orc Cleric 8 of Glaunder
Domains: Fur, Rage
STR 20 (15 +2race +1HD +2belt)
DEX 10
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 18 (15 +1HD +2headband)
CHA 11

Traits: Bully, Savannah Child (handle animal)
Feats: Heavy Armor Proficiency, Power Attack, Boon Companion, Toughness

HP: 75 (91 while raging)
AC: 23 (10 +11armor, +1deflection, +1natural), 21 while raging
Melee: +1 falchion (Power Attack) +10/+5 (2d4+14/18-20), +12/+7 (2d4+17/18-20) while raging
Saves: Fort +9 Ref +3 Will +11 (+13 while raging)
Skills: Intimidate +14, Handle Animal +12 (+16 for Ragebadger)

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Ragebadger
STR 16
DEX 17
CON 17
INT 03
WIS 12
CHA 10

Feats: Armor Proficiency (light), Armor Proficiency (medium), Toughness, Power Attack

HP: 59 (73 while raging)
AC: 26 (10 +6natural +3DEX +7armor), 24 while raging
Melee: (Power Attacking, Amulet of Mighty Fists +1) Bite +7 (1d6+8), 2 claws +7 (1d4+8); or bite +9 (1d6+10) and 2 claws +9 (1d4+10) while raging
Saves: Fort +8 Ref +8 Will +3 (+5 while raging)

-------------------------

I probably did a terrible job, as I've never made a barbarian or used a "pet" class. I also just threw this together without checking WBL or anything. Gave Rawrface +2 armor, ring of prot +1, amulet of nat armor +1, cloak of resistance +1, and a +1 weapon. Gave Ragebadger a +1 breastplate and +1 AoMF. Hope that's close enough to at least get a snapshot of the possibilities. :)

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Actually, I suggest Urazra, for flavor, and nab a Bear Pelt of the Bonebreaker, for a Bear and Badger rage duo.


Thefurmonger wrote:


It seems that Badgers are really upset for some reason.

LOL!

I'm sorry, I have nothing to add. That just struck me as really funny.

Indeed, it does sometimes seem like badgers are just cosmically pissed.


Nice going guys.

And yeah Bruunwald, I have no idea WHY they are so upset, they just are.


"Devil's Advocate" wrote:
. . . IM A CLERIC OF "Honey Badger Doesn't Care". . .

This made me smile


Johnico wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Wait, there is no RAW for some, but not for others.

Either it is RAW, or Houserule.

So a Rule that is Written in an official book about Golarion that says "In the world of Golarion, all Clerics must worship a deity. There are no Clerics of concepts," is not a Rule as Written? It's a houserule?

I would argue that pathfinder society is a variant rulebook. Its similar to third party publishers who provide alternate rules for the game. It definitely isn't a RAW interpretation of Pathfinder. Core rulebooks are raw. Rules from other sources aren't.


Jiggy wrote:


Ragebadger
STR 16
DEX 17
CON 17
INT 03
WIS 12
CHA 10

Feats: Armor Proficiency (light), Armor Proficiency (medium), Toughness, Power Attack

HP: 59 (73 while raging)
AC: 26 (10 +6natural +3DEX +7armor), 24 while raging
Melee: (Power Attacking, Amulet of Mighty Fists +1) Bite +7 (1d6+8), 2 claws +7 (1d4+8); or bite +9 (1d6+10) and 2 claws +9 (1d4+10) while raging
Saves: Fort +8 Ref +8 Will +3 (+5 while raging)

That is one badass badger...

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Just wait til you cast mass bull's strength on both of you for every fight. ;)

Silver Crusade

What about a Wildblooded (Sylvan) Sorceror? They get an animal companion at 1st, and multiclass into Barbarian. Shackleborn Tiefling with the Beast Bully trait (from Blood of Fiends) and you can Handle Animal with Intimidate.


A few scrolls or a wand of animal growth would help tremendously too. The ac would even out with the neg. To dex and the boost to nat. Armor but it would grant a +8 to str. And a +4 to con. Plus the damage dice would increase.

Is there anyway a druid could obtain these two domains either by feats or archtypes? Im sure the druids spell list would be much more helpful to the build than the clerics

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As far as I know, a druid can't get the rage subdomain at all.


Does the Badger's rage naturally go up on its own as it gets stronger? Even with the Extra Rage feat, 6 rounds is not a whole lot.


Jiggy wrote:
As far as I know, a druid can't get the rage subdomain at all.

The Saurian Shaman can get the destruction domain, so maybe they can grab Rage, but they can't get a badger (too OP!!!).


well they are having a big cull of them in the UK, so they deserve to be a tad annoyed


johnlocke90 wrote:
Johnico wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Wait, there is no RAW for some, but not for others.

Either it is RAW, or Houserule.

So a Rule that is Written in an official book about Golarion that says "In the world of Golarion, all Clerics must worship a deity. There are no Clerics of concepts," is not a Rule as Written? It's a houserule?
I would argue that pathfinder society is a variant rulebook. Its similar to third party publishers who provide alternate rules for the game. It definitely isn't a RAW interpretation of Pathfinder. Core rulebooks are raw. Rules from other sources aren't.

Unless the rule is in a world book (such as the "Casters must worship a deity" rule of Golarion), in which case that variant rule is essentially RAW for that specific world.

That's how I view it, anyway. Specific campaign settings that operate in a way different from Core can essentially write new RAW for how something works in that specific setting. Maybe how I view RAW is slightly malleable compared to other people, as I find RAW is partially based on campaign setting?

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