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My character has always espoused a lawful society that holds the community and the individual in equal esteem, so I don't think it really counts as being good, but also definatly not evil.
truthfully in my games monks are simply disallowed chaotic rather then requiring lawful, maybe the GM will allow you that which seems best all around but if not I'll see about justifying something on my end.
And race making is a no-go, since I can't make my race within the rules.
Unless I can be an awakened animal? That would also solve the above conflict as I could take NN slot.
Then you'll be competing with me instead :P
Yeah, When I say chaotic, i dont really mean chaotic, like 'I'll do whatever I want' I mean more of a 'I follow a higher law that doesnt necessarily conform to your laws'. I'm not sure what that would really fall under with a simple 9 part alignment system. In some aspects its Lawful good, but in some cases it could be deemed Chaotic because I'm not following the laws of the nation. I dont know, Maybe I will just have to be the goodie goodie, Or I could just be a rule monkey about it, take the monk and brother of the seal lvls first and then claim alignment change and be what I want.... I'll have to consult GM about it but it should be fun anyway it goes
Has anyone "taken" the neutral evil spot? I might just jump back in.
At 40th level what nation would have authority over you EntropyRules? At that point it's more about law/chaos on vast conceptual levels I'd imagine. I'd say that the collection of knowledge is certainly a lawful pursuit. Chaos simply allows nature to take its course without needing to understand it. Sharing it with all freely would be LG, while hoarding it and using it only to make yourself more powerful would be LE. My two cents anyway.
Yeah, When I say chaotic, i dont really mean chaotic, like 'I'll do whatever I want' I mean more of a 'I follow a higher law that doesnt necessarily conform to your laws'. I'm not sure what that would really fall under with a simple 9 part alignment system. In some aspects its Lawful good, but in some cases it could be deemed Chaotic because I'm not following the laws of the nation. I dont know, Maybe I will just have to be the goodie goodie, Or I could just be a rule monkey about it, take the monk and brother of the seal lvls first and then claim alignment change and be what I want.... I'll have to consult GM about it but it should be fun anyway it goes
Lawful Neutral doesn't require one to follow the laws of a particular area.
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A lawful neutral character acts as law, tradition, or a personal code directs her. Order and organization are paramount. She may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard, or she may believe in order for all and favor a strong, organized government.
Lawful neutral means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot.
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By the rules, whatever "your" code happens to be can supersede the laws of a given place if I interpret that correctly.
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3,5 Epic fears, there is pathfinder book out with Epic in now, just getting the info, I want this to be open to all not just the guys with all the splat books so Ill see.
This will ether really bad or of work form the get go. Im working hard to make it good, but its a 100% nuts idea so bear with me.
Wordcasting Think Im going to say no sorry.
I think I will allow players to have the same Aliment but in game only one of you can be a god so you may have to off or convert the other player hehe, who will be the god.
For two good players that my be interesting.
How much coin to have, thats a hard one.
++++EDIT+++
Rethink below
New setting.
New Gold set at
Starting Gold 50,000,000gp
True at lvl 40 no one can really stop you from doing whatever you want, but I had always thought of lawful as being one that submitted to the laws of wherever they were rather than a firm code of conduct but, what you all are saying makes alot of sense.
So, just a count on what we have so far. Who is going for what alignments?
I'm going for LG. I'm thinking that doing a complete 180 from the stereotypical (i.e. non-"Drizzt") drow will make for a refreshing play style. I'm currently leaning towards oracle 20/eldritch godling 20, but I'm still in research mode, especially since I just finished my rl gaming session a few minutes ago.
Had a rethink as so meany want to play the same alignment and is BORING paying for buildings, makes it more of a wargame YAKES!
So new setting.
The few where call to the god place, the old man sat by a fountain looking on as the child god (one I have a name I will put it in.)
He looked them over, before talking.
"I am old, older than you know, The gods of Golarion let me stay here, because I'm a refuge, odd as the sounds for an old god to say, thats what I am."
he waves the child god away
"Go play with you brother I need to talk girl"
She runs off being both and old lady and woman at the same time.
"what I am going to tell you only a few know, but I feel it is time some one knew. The world I came from was one like this, rich and full of divine sparks, dark and light, lawful and chaotic. Then came the rise of the God-Salves telling all the mortals that gods enslaved them, that it was all a lie and that to be free ALL gods must go. The god war was terrible they pulled down the temples, smashed the holy places and rushed the faithful. The called so meany to there ranks grate and good and soon it was over. A council of the soul free rules and the last god ran away or was dead. The closed there world off an that was that, well they where wrong, I have a one use way back, a look hole in the magic the locks my old home closed. But if I do not use it soon its power will be gone. That why I called you here, to use it now will mean my death but I will have my revenge. Im going to seen you, its up to you if you want to go but if you can get a foot hold, if you can brake the soul slaves hold then you will have a world open to you for goodhood. You must deside here and now, will you go, note once there you can never come back.
So you star with what you can carry and take with you. No leadership needed or city's, you get less gold but the gate will be open for one round and one round only, thats 8 seconds to get your a** over it and into a shinny new godless world.
How dos that sound.
For players with Devine stuff Ill let you take a generic belief, like a race, the Green, or an Aliment etc. Good, Evil etc.
I hope that works hehe
That sounds a bit simpler. I can go for that and I'll keep it in mind as I start to crunch and build a backstory.
1. So, how much gold?
2. I put a link up earlier to the Genius Guide to the Godling Ascendant
because it seems they have not fully transcribed it to the d20pfsrd and was wondering about using the stuff not transcribed...
3. I think I might try to find a way to bring my character's followers along since he gains divine spellcasting followers who get spells from him as a class ability at 20th level. If not, I might rethink my class or see if I can attract them the same way on the other side...
4. The first sentence makes me think that the nine diffeent alignments os no longer a prerequisite Did I understand that correctly?
Edit Note: My character can bring his followers along...
Sorry to keep flip-flopping but I really am going to bow out to keep from spending too much time. The fact I'm still thinking about this is a big part of the reason why I should drop out. :D
*tips hat*
dotting.
Sounds interesting. If there is still an open slot I might see what I can come up with.
there are no slots as such yet as this is just an interest thread,
so any one can offer up an idea and feed back. Im working out how this can be done as well as seeing what others think. 40level takes a lot of work so think hard before saying I want in. It may only last one compact and we find its all broken to hell at that level. Ether on hit kills or unstoppable bad guys/good guys. But come on, I once played in a 40th level game, hehe mad but it may be fun as hell.
Other info updates.
Yep Same alignment of fine now, with this simpler idea for the setting
Gold is 50mgp at the start, 50,000,000m spent on your own stuff or what you can carry be a 30' Portal in 1 round 8 seconds as a whole party, f
or clerics metaphysical (ideas) beliefs are find over gods, in fact the idea is you will be come the god of your own belief mad as that sounds.
I'm going to say no follows, you have to get therm there, class specific things like Animals and mounts fine, Only one Intelligent item and so on.
the whole party has to get there in one round v a 30' whole etc.
Looking for the Epic feat link but can not see it.
is this 3.0 or 3.5 or pathfinder? i was thinking of playing LE (if evil is permissible, we are not necessarily working as a party right?), depending on the system i would probably play an epic lich. Besides, even Gods of good and light understand that someone has to preside over the underworld >:D
A few things...
If we're all competing, how are you gonna handle the thread? I was in another PBP game where everyone was competing for a throne, and it basically crashed and burned because there was only one thread and the PCs could see everything the others were doing. Even with spoilers, someone ended up accusing another of "stealing his plans" even though he didn't etc.
There needs to be a strong goal in PBP games or they fizzle out very quickly. If there are no gods, who controls this new world? The god-slaves? If so, what are they? Are there other outsiders (demons, angels etc?) or is this new plane completely cut off from the other planes in the multiverse?
If this is gonna be a PVP game, then I'm not really interested. If it's like "The 'titans' have killed all the gods, except for that old guy, and taken over 'Olympus'. Now you have to become new gods and go take them out." That's much more interesting to me.
(especially) if pvp is disallowed, you wont have to worry about my LE character (if accepted). i was picturing him as more of a craven, any "pvp" would be via 'minion vs minion' or 'machination vs machination'
although, in thinking more about it, a true neutral necromancer would be a good idea too.
If this is gonna be a PVP game, then I'm not really interested. If it's like "The 'titans' have killed all the gods, except for that old guy, and taken over 'Olympus'. Now you have to become new gods and go take them out." That's much more interesting to me.
Question: will we be against the other players? While I understand that this is a unique kind of game I will state that I really don't like pvp.
Agreed.
This is why I respect DM Jelani's views guys been around, even if he thinks you can sniff light. :P
yes its not going to be PVP the God-Slaves run the plane and have locked it away tighter than a ducks Chuff.
Who they are well that's for you to find out in game, you know will know that they started a war to kill or drive out all gods and god like beings.
they did this because they felt gods in all forms where Soul-Slavers, good bad the lot, entrapping the weak-mined to be fodder for there immortality.
that was 2000 years ago, what has happened in that time, the plane is skill closed, so its a whole world with out gods, they are just a fairy tail. What will this world be like now, what has happened to it with out gods, was it a happy ever after?.
Your jumping into the unknown, he asked more but they walked out your the only ones willing to head in there and make new rule of gods.
And it will mean gods, faith in a magic world needs more than one pole, gods need to have poles for the faithful to head to. Four main, four mixed and one central.
LG_NG_CG
LN_TN_CN
LE_NE_CE
Poles and gods to stand in them.
well thats the idea.
Sweet, this will make things alot easier to build. And I very much like this concept. Like you said, it will take awhile to get everything set up, but if and when we get this behemoth off the ground its going to be epic.
So just like in normal Golarion deities there could be multiple gods of each alignment with different portfolios. If there aren't enough players to fill all 9 alignments will you make NPC gods to fill the others?
I've got a quick question: How do you feel about us having artifacts (i.e. an Orb of Dragonkind or a Deck of Many Things). Are we allowed to claim or more (how many?) and what the other restrictions be (if any)?
I'll stick with my god of death idea. LE
I got 3 concepts, lemme know what you think.
Ninja 20/shadowdancer 10/master spy 10 - Super ninja!
Quarterstaff magus 20/Quarterstaff monk 20 - nuff said
Hungry ghost quingong monk 20/something else, not yet sure - crit monk with tons of ki to fuel his abilities!
actually i just (more carefully) reread what was posted above, i might actually go with a psionic character.
I find it interesting the number of people that start posting build ideas whenthe GM asked for alignment and a background
@Elondor - I think the quarterstaff build would be awesome, I can totally see that, are you thinking of a pure warrior god (i.e. Mars)?
@ljen Harper - I can see where you are coming from. To play devil's advocate, however, you have to admit that a 40th lvl PbP doesn't come around very often. Just playing with build concepts has been a huge challenge for me, and I love playing with these kinds of puzzles. Judging for the interest so far (86 posts in just over 24 hours), it seems like I am not the only one.
I think that, in just about any other PbP recruitment thread, the progression would likely be more orderly. But that is my opinion, hopefully you might agree with it, but if you don't then that's totally cool as well. :)
I'd like to start with one of the nature style angel types and build up from there - I ran a campaign once where everyone could start as an angel, djinn type, etc and add class levels, it was massively fun. This sounds even moreso.
I'll work up crunch and backstory today (even with Herolab, it's going to take a bit of work to do 40 levels :) I'm assuming no class levels over 20 are allowed.
/artifacts going to have to say no
/psionic yes with (Transparency rules)
/Quarterstaff magus 20/Quarterstaff monk 20 - nuff said sounds good.
/yep just looking at Interest and basic Ideas for now,
/gestalt's going to have to say no to them.
Please do not make a PC or work up a back ground, I have an idea some have started seen just how much time it takes and bowed out, Im looking at how to run this madness and its giving me the willy s, if I get this wrong at the start the Players will me mad they wasted time on a duff game. :( scary.
Again this is just an interest thread going to take ages to get the game built, just wanted to know if any one would think it cool so I did not wast my time etc.
actually i just (more carefully) reread what was posted above, i would like to go with a psionic character.
I am thinking LN Elan Psion 20 / Psion Uncarnate 10 / Metamind 10 (all on the d20pfsrd under dreamscarred press)
Titles: The Transcendent One, The Uncarnated
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Portfolio: Mind, Psionics, Knowledge, Self-Perfection
Cleric Alignments: LN, LG, LE, N
Domains: Law, Knowledge (not a lot in the way of psionic domains)
Favored Weapon Quarterstaff, Unarmed Strike
The Transcendent One appears as an apparition, yet very human-like. He is a tall, wiry male with a bald head and pearl eyes.
The Transcendent One had known a life as long as the oldest of elves, despite being depicted as a human-like creature. What had started as the quest of any Psion, to master psionics, had become something of a higher order: to master himself. Spending centuries in research, conferring with ancient tomes and long-lost crystals, The Transcendent One sought to shed that which he once sought: his very body.
The transcendent one began life as a human, but was recreated as an Elan under the Eleventh Council of Elans. Gifted now with a lower-maintenance physical form, The Transcendent One was able to devote 35% more time to the study of psionics. This, in conjunction with a lifespan that had no known end, allowed him to travel far and wide, and study with all manner of psionic creatures and crystals.
He admired the crystals, those who had eschewed their living bodies to exist purely as a mind housed in a crystal. For a long time he had sought that existence. Then he met the uncarnates. It was as if a new door had opened to him, a door that led to a mansion full of hallways and doors. They had made all previous psionics seem like prestidigitation to him. Decades of intense study and far travel later, The Transcendent One had earned his new namesake in exchange for his physical form; a trade he gladly made.
I'm looking at an overall quarterstaff god. Channeling through it, hitting a ton, etc.
Please do not make a PC or work up a back ground, I have an idea some have started seen just how much time it takes and bowed out, Im looking at how to run this madness and its giving me the willy s, if I get this wrong at the start the Players will me mad they wasted time on a duff game. :( scary.
Again this is just an interest thread going to take ages to get the game built, just wanted to know if any one would think it cool so I did not wast my time etc.
Okay, darn, it was going to be fun making a lvl 40 character :) I'm definitely interested.
Possible Ideas (I definitely think that the motivations of the participants would be far more interesting than the abilities.)
Azata, Lillend with bardic levels and masterpieces. She'll be focused on art, music, craftsmen, and civilization. Her goals will be to inspire the creation of new, unique works of art and music - curious as to what the people of this new plane can produce once the shackles of the oppressive God-Slaves are removed and excited to have fresh, fertile creative geniuses that she's never seen before. She plans to inspire the people to rebellion and to show them the art and music of other worlds.
A daughter of Baba Yaga - a high level witch who is growing too big for her britches and Baba Yaga wishes to get rid of her into an oubliette she can't escape from and eliminate her as a possible challenger to her own rule. She's excited to get the chance to be the new 'queen of witches' and wants to build an empire of powerful witches. The rulers would be a powerful coven of witches with the focus to enhance her own powers allowing her to usurp the God-Slaves.
An Aeon who perceives that the balance and proper order of the plane of the God-Slaves has been wrecked. Its plan is to become the ultimate arbiter of the new order of the plane, ensuring that it's all in working order, creating what needs to be created and destroying what needs to be destroyed. One possibility that remains in the back of it's mind is that this diseased plane may need to be removed entirely to rebalance the entire multiverse.
Other possibilities abound as well, a Cetaceal Agathion concerned with the organization of the oceans. Someone who is focused on building a utopian society and sees this place as a possible tabla rasa (perhaps going so far as to see utopia as 'the perfection of a bee hive/ant colony). A hunter type wishing to hunt creatures (and God-Slaves) that have been sequestered away from the multiverse and never hunted before.
And we need a trickster deity, you always need a trickster deity - it keeps things lively :)
Just hit what I think is a brick wall,
Immunity, A Pm has been sent me (Sorry player but this may be a game breaker) with an Idea for a PC that has Immunity to just about every thing, I will not post the PC as its a players but you get the Idea.
Disease, poison, Death like magic, level drain (just about) Silly PR, and so on. Looking it over I can see how they did most of it but here is my problem, to make a challenge for the player I would have to ether, strip them of there PCs Immunity or just by pass it, I ran a few tests and it comes out as Nurf then killed.
That is no fun for a player,
"Hay my PC can not be harmed by that"
"yes it can"
every combat, player upset.
if not that then,
"They do this and it dos nothing to you"
dull game.
This is a hard one, with ramping its simple you just make the hit harder and hope a PC can take the hit, but with Immunity its On or Off.
On nothing, off upset player and or killed pc.
Im going to have to have a long think about this, its a a hard one.
@Tiessa: I really like that bard idea. I once played with a lillend bard but it was at a lower level. It was pretty cool though.
@Spugly: Such is the name of the high level game. I had a character that was immune to nearly everything in a high level game once, and combats were quite boring for him. He also outclassed many of the other PCs, single-handedly winning most fights. Once i realized that i was the reason that the game wasn't as fun for the other players, i decided to not participate in many combats. This made it more fun for the other players and more fun for the DM who was trying to challenge me in combat and often killing other players. On that note, remember that killing PCs is less tragic in a high level game where True Resurrection is often an option.
During that game, i often found myself worried more about my city (i had invested heavily in the creation of a city for my people, i had epic leadership and was using the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook quite heavily). As such, the DM often attacked my city as a means to keep me engaged without challenging just my character. I did, however, learn my lesson about making a dull, immune character. The psion character concept i submitted above has some immunities, but not a lot of them. Any other immunities he would get would cost him resources (such as gold or power points). I envision him tough enough to deal with having Low HP in a high level game (i hope) without being immune.
Hehe, I didnt even pay attention to the immunities until you mentioned them, but you get all of the ones you mentioned from a monk/11 and Living Monolith/10. Granted, You still can take damage, but even then you have massive DR.
you pretty much NEED massive DR if you wanna enter melee with a 40hd creature though
I'm honestly not trying to be rude or anything, but do you type from your phone? Type super fast? I notice a ton of spelling issues that could potentially break immersion if they persist into the game itself. I swear i'm not a huge grammar nazi 0.o
nope that is down side number
Arr Elondor you have hit my weak spot, truth is Im Dyslexic, I kid you not, that last past was done fast and I should have checked it, I do try.
but still this kind of think
Think and not thing
vene and not even.
typing of and not on, and word spelling bad, all bad,
would you believe me if I told you I teach Spoken English, o yes I can talk the back end of a house, but letters gerrrr! little evil buggers, that just will not stick in my mind to make words, and skip around on the page when im not looking.
but the upside is a have a amazing memory I think, maybe??
I have a question, DM: Are we using epic spellcasting/psionics rules of any sort (although i can understand if you wanted to avoid the custom spell creation, thats a lot of headache)?
If i have 20 levels in Psion, and get a class that gives me powers known/power points +1 level, would i use the old 3.5 tables to determine how many more power points i would get for effectively being "over level 20" or should i do some math and figure out how the numbers should increase?
Yep spotted that, and I think again the game if it ever gets past the problems I have found, will keep the 20th cap on a level, I know some give you + so should give higher spells but OMG the work
Ok Thanks all for showing your Interest the feed back has been great, and I found some things out.
Im going to go away and have a really good think about a way to do this, that will let players play and still get past some of the problems I can see. Lots of reading for me. But all good fun.
I will keep this thread up so you can post ideas and etc. But for now I need a lot more time to work on this.
Spugs