Arcane Duelist Bard: Maintain two Performances?


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Title said most of it...

I'm looking forward an Arcane Duelist Bard with an Archery oriented-build.

I'm a bit sad to see that Bloodthirst is actually a Performance, and therefore can't be used in conjunction with Inspire Courage.

So I was wondering if there was anyway I could actually build a toon and make him able to do such a thing?

Grand Lodge

Bladethirst will not be able to be used with Inspire Courage. At least, there is no way that I have encountered. :(


Yes. There is a way to do this. It is a 4th level spell in Ultimate Magic called Virtuoso Performance, and it's the shizzle bomb.


"Virtuoso performance does not stack with any other method of maintaining simultaneous bardic performances."

So there is other ways? Or it's just a "in case" quote?


Shadowbard! 5th level spell.


Virtuoso performance does indeed work, that is the whole point of the thing. You get the benefits of both performances for 3 performance rounds each round that you have 2. it lasts 10 rounds when you get it, so better plan ahead with some extra performance feats.


My GM and I have worked out a houserule to allow for "twisting" of bard performances (ala Everquest). Each one requires a standard (or move or swift eventually) action to begin and you cannot begin more than 1 per round in any event. So if you want to twist 3 performances it will take 3 rounds to do so and cost you 1 + 2 + 3 = 6 performance rounds to do (+3 rounds per round maintained). We're still working on how to factor in Lingering Performance feat.

My arcane duelist recently reached level 6 and so far I have not been able to "twist" any performances. But I am looking forward to when I can.


Summon monster can kinda pull off what you want too. Summon the Lilend (I think) they have +2 inspire courage, then you just bloodthirst away.


In Rite Publishing's 101 Bard Feats there is a feat called Quicken Thirst, which advances the speed that you can start bladethirst and also allows for maintaining two bardic performances at a time. The one drawback is you can't start more than one bardic performance a round.


Amuny wrote:
So there is other ways? Or it's just a "in case" quote?

To my knowledge there aren't any other ways in the Pathfinder Core books, but they certainly exist in 3rd party material and in the house rules of individual tables (see above for examples of both). So the line is there to clarify that, if your table uses another method of achieving this end, the spell doesn't stack with them.


Anetra wrote:
Amuny wrote:
So there is other ways? Or it's just a "in case" quote?
To my knowledge there aren't any other ways in the Pathfinder Core books, but they certainly exist in 3rd party material and in the house rules of individual tables (see above for examples of both). So the line is there to clarify that, if your table uses another method of achieving this end, the spell doesn't stack with them.

Shadow bard and Summon Monster can get you two performance at the same time.


Gignere wrote:
Shadow bard and Summon Monster can get you two performance at the same time.

Oh, cool yeah, Shadowbard is a 5th level Ultimate Magic spell that will do a Bardic Performance for you, without taking up your performance rounds.

I suppose you could use Summon Monster 6 to summon a Lillend, which can do Inspire Courage +2, but by the time you have access to 6th level spells at level 16 you could be doing Inspire Courage +3, and you're one level away from Inspire Courage +4. Also, a summoned creature performing isn't the same as you performing. I could have said "take Leadership for a bard cohort and have them perform," but that's not the Arcane Duelist in this example maintaining two performances at the same time.

A second bard (be they a cohort or a Lillendi or any other creature with access to Bardic Performances) would stack with Virtuoso Performance, because it's a second individual maintaining their own performance.


Yeah, Lillend is very high level, not sure it worth it, even less with Shadowbard.

Well, thanks for all your input. We usually don't allow 3rd Party Publishing in our games, but we'll see what we'll do on that if the need continues.

Silver Crusade

I too greatly recommend you to check Rite Publishing's 101 Bard Feats. It is of high quality, bloated with flavorful, awesome (and balanced) new feats to make any bard concept great - even the most underwhelming official archetypes.
As said previously, it includes a feat to start a bladethirst faster and maintain another performance at the same time ; you are still limited to starting a single performance per round.

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