Shortbows VS Longbows (composite-types)


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So my PFS Dwarf Fighter archer (non-archetype) took 1 level of the Crusader archetype Cleric for Weapon Focus. (Domain is Travel.)
Only to realize that Weapon Focus only works on a Deity's favorite weapon... which all Travel domain Deities don't get.

After searching around, I finally found 1 demi-power in the inner sea world guide that fits my character from a RP view that has Shortbow and the Travel Domain; the Empyreal Lord Sinashakti.

So... the big question is; Is it worth giving up the composite Longbow for the composite Shortbow?

The big "carrot" for me in taking the Shortbow is the Travel Domain, which gives my Dwarf Archer a full 30 feet of movement and the ability to ignore DT up to 4 times a day. Both which are GREAT for my Archer. (Who needs mobility.

The drawbacks are a drop from 1d8s to 1d6s and a shorten range, 110 to 70.

Any advice on this choice?

*Extra info: Dwarf Archer at level 12 - 11 fighter, 1 Cleric (Crusader)


if you have fighter levels, you could simply take any god you want for domains. Screw favored weapon, Fighter levels provide it for you. and you could take weapon focus your self.


Range shouldn't be too big an issue; 70ft. is still pretty far. And your average damage goes from 4.5 to 3.5, so again, I'd say it's barely a drawback.
I wish there were more ways in which a shortbow was a better option than a longbow; I mean, the prior saw a lot of use throughout history, and not just because they were cheaper than the latter.

A shortbow also fits a dwarf better, as far as the character's image goes.


Shortbow can be used while mounted, longbow can't.


Smaller weapons would have an advantage IF the game had penalties to stealth, acrobatics, etc when using two handed weapons and like like.


Quatar wrote:
Shortbow can be used while mounted, longbow can't.

Wait...what? Really? How did I miss this?


40ft is negligible, very few encounters happen at long range so you can just take a range penalty if you really want to fire at far away enemies. Shortbow also has x3 crit instead of x2.


As long as your using the composite version, they can both be used mounted. Composite or non, they both have a x3 crit. The main difference seems to be d6 vs d8, the free weapon focus you'll get for a short bow, the range, and flavor. The 1 point average damage bonus for a long bow would'nt be enough for me to use it over flavor, but the feat might be depending on the build. In my experience (started with the basic D&D box set in 1979), range is rarely an issue. However, starting range is heavily dependent on your DM.

Edited for iPad spelling errors.


thegreenteagamer wrote:
Quatar wrote:
Shortbow can be used while mounted, longbow can't.
Wait...what? Really? How did I miss this?
Longbow wrote:


Longbow: At almost 5 feet in height, a longbow is made up of one solid piece of carefully curved wood. You need two hands to use a bow, regardless of its size. A longbow is too unwieldy to use while you are mounted. If you have a penalty for low Strength, apply it to damage rolls when you use a longbow. If you have a Strength bonus, you can apply it to damage rolls when you use a composite longbow (see below), but not when you use a regular longbow.
Longbow, Composite wrote:


Longbow, Composite: You need at least two hands to use a bow, regardless of its size. You can use a composite longbow while mounted.

Basically, composite versions of weapons are smaller than the normal versions. So a composite longbow is actually about the size of a normal shortbow.


Shuriken Nekogami wrote:
if you have fighter levels, you could simply take any god you want for domains. Screw favored weapon, Fighter levels provide it for you. and you could take weapon focus your self.

I don't often agree with SN, but I do here.

Travel domain is great, but you don't need the cleric level to support weapon focus (bow) unless you are really impatient to get into it and you are going to take the cleric level first.

Personally, I'd wait a level and let fighter works its weapon focus magic.

thegreenteagamer wrote:
Quatar wrote:
Shortbow can be used while mounted, longbow can't.
Wait...what? Really? How did I miss this?

Really, really.

Aioran wrote:
40ft is negligible, very few encounters happen at long range so you can just take a range penalty if you really want to fire at far away enemies. Shortbow also has x3 crit instead of x2.

Longbow has the same x3 crit.


Wait, hold on; are you at level 12 already? And we are talking about Pathfinder Society play?


I like shortbows cause I like d6 over d8 dice

Sczarni

If you want +10' base speed take a Barbarian level and get yourself BAB +1. Heck, make it an Urban Barbarian so you can boost DEX and get better at Archery while raging.

You can ignore difficult terrain all day long by standing still and Full-Attacking with the composite bow of your choice.

Lantern Lodge

Belle Mythix wrote:

Wait, hold on; are you at level 12 already? And we are talking about Pathfinder Society play?

No. I just got 3 games in.

Sorry for the wrong information - I was just stating my build. Going for 11 levels of fighter and 1 level of Cleric.

I'm taking 1 level of Cleric for RP reasons. And also due to the fact that I'm used to playing Clerics.
Crusader just happens to be the least disruptive to the archer build, thanks to the bonus feat.


therealthom wrote:
Aioran wrote:
40ft is negligible, very few encounters happen at long range so you can just take a range penalty if you really want to fire at far away enemies. Shortbow also has x3 crit instead of x2.
Longbow has the same x3 crit.

Huh... I guess there really is no reason to take a shortbow over a longbow then.

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