Wild Shaping Into Larger Forms?


Rules Questions


I glimpsed over some shaman archetypes and saw one for saurians. Got excited. Pictured me turning into a T-rex. Found out the biggest you can go is huge. Is there ANY magical items or something I've missed which could do this? Or perhaps any alteration once transformed unrelated to wild shape?

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Moved thread.

Liberty's Edge

The designer that wrote the original shaman incarnations has said numerous times that he'd intended for shamans to be able to apply the giant and/or young templates to animals for purposes of wildshaping into bigger or smaller versions.

Thus far, Paizo has failed to update things as such.

If you think Saurian Shamans have it bad how do you think Wolf, Lion, and Bear shamans feel?

Liberty's Edge

Our Houserule:

We rule that the listed creatures size doesn't matter, meaning you could shape into a small t-rex if you wanted.


Small is an option with Wild Shape, though. Gargantuan and Colossal aren't. Thanks for that update though, Feral. Hopefully they work on that at some point.

Silver Crusade

Feral wrote:

The designer that wrote the original shaman incarnations has said numerous times that he'd intended for shamans to be able to apply the giant and/or young templates to animals for purposes of wildshaping into bigger or smaller versions.

Thus far, Paizo has failed to update things as such.

If you think Saurian Shamans have it bad how do you think Wolf, Lion, and Bear shamans feel?

I'm playing a Lion Shaman and it is somewhere between balanced with a normal druid and overpowered (at level 6 and later, at least). That is with the limitation on shapes I can shift into. The ability to summon templated Felines in a standard action is very, very significant. ITs amazing how much damage D3+1 Augmented young tigers (Summon Natures Ally IV) can do to most encounters.

A Saurian Shaman is already insanely more powerful than a Lion Shaman. Ie, it is somewhere between very overpowered and grossly absurdly overpowered.

The last thing that Shamans (especially Saurian Shamans) need is to be made more powerful.

If the original author being quoted above created the wolf, lion and Saurian Shamans then I'm afraid that he really doesn't have a good grasp of what is balanced. The Saurians are very. very clearly the best Shamans. By a significant margin.


I guess I should also ask while I'm on here... If you turn into a, let's say, Allosaurus and GRAB someone with a grapple, they're in your mouth right? Allosaurus does not get SWALLOW WHOLE. So... If I wanted to swallow someone... Do they forget how to? I mean, it's as simple as -gulp-.


Sciris001 wrote:
I guess I should also ask while I'm on here... If you turn into a, let's say, Allosaurus and GRAB someone with a grapple, they're in your mouth right? Allosaurus does not get SWALLOW WHOLE. So... If I wanted to swallow someone... Do they forget how to? I mean, it's as simple as -gulp-.

You don't have the ability to. If you wanted to eat them, you'd have to get them helpless and eat them normally, sorry.

Liberty's Edge

-plus when you change back you would have some serious indigestion.

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