Dragoon archetype's Weapon Training and bonus to CMB and CMD


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Inspired by this lovely thread, what bonus does the Dragoon add to their CMB attempts with spears and CMD against disarm and sunder?

This is the ability that modifies the Dragoon's Weapon Training.

Spear Training (Ex) wrote:
At 5th level, a dragoon must select weapon training with the spear group. The dragoon's weapon training bonus with spears improves by +1 on attack rolls and +2 on damage rolls for every four levels beyond 5th (to a maximum of +4 on attack rolls and +8 on damage rolls at 17th level). The dragoon does not gain weapon training in any other groups as he increases in level.

This is the line of Weapon Training that adds the bonus to the CMB and CMD.

Quote:
A fighter also adds this bonus to any combat maneuver checks made with weapons from this group. This bonus also applies to the fighter's Combat Maneuver Defense when defending against disarm and sunder attempts made against weapons from this group.

I gather that the bonus applied will be the to-hit one, but confirmation and/or debate would be wonderful.

Grand Lodge

Are they not the same ability, but with some added restrictions, and a slightly better bonus?

It looks like a duck.
It quacks like a duck.
It swims like a duck.
I think it's a duck.


They should.


It's a shame Paizo feels the need to give everything a YUU-NEEK name to make it seem novel and different, rather than something more like,

"Weapon Training

At 5th level, a dragoon must select weapon training with the spear group. The dragoon's weapon training bonus with spears improves by +1 on attack rolls and +2 on damage rolls for every four levels beyond 5th (to a maximum of +4 on attack rolls and +8 on damage rolls at 17th level). The dragoon does not gain weapon training in any other groups as he increases in level."

....Nah, that's crazy talk!


So no one has an idea which bonus for them to use for CMB / CMD?


it shouldbe the same as the normal weapon traning.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

It's always the attack roll bonus.


Jason Nelson wrote:
It's always the attack roll bonus.

Hi, having you here what do you think about this question

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5vgd?Spear-training-and-gloves-of-dueling#1


Thanks, Jason!

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