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I know that Andius's Great Legionnaires are practically dedicated to this very purpose, but I'd like to start a discussion with other guilds (Mbando's Peace Through Vigilance jumps to mind but I'm sure there are others as well) who would be willing to join The Seventh Veil in forming a wall around a safe haven where casual players can thrive without the constant threat of war. Perhaps we can even bite off an entire corner of the map...
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I know that Andius's Great Legionnaires are practically dedicated to this very purpose, but I'd like to start a discussion with other guilds (Mbando's Peace Through Vigilance jumps to mind but I'm sure there are others as well) who would be willing to join The Seventh Veil in forming a wall around a safe haven where casual players can thrive without the constant threat of war. Perhaps we can even bite off an entire corner of the map...
I'd imagine the idea of attempting to wall off low sec areas... as pretty much a bad idea, first off the idea of marketing it to "casuals". I fail to see why purely casual groups, are going to be involved in kingdom building or needing the rarest or most valuble resources that they cannot get in high security areas. Secondly I somewhat see this as extremely high risk. It kind of paints a hint to the attacker and informs them off the bat, that once they can break a hole in that wall, the inside is filled with cities that are least likely to be able to defend themselves.
Essentially it is conquer 3 armies, gain the spoils of defeating 10 cities.
With a reward like that, I would be extremely hesitant on encouraging any casual players to build up in that sort of an area.
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Our goals are not quite as tied to territory as that. GL's purpose is less to carve a single safe area in the game, and more to wage a Golarion-wide crusade against griefers. It is not GL's intention to entirely protect anyone from danger. Danger is a part of the fun. It's to make sure that people who log into the game are not immediately ganked by 50 veterans for their moldy bread and rusty dagger who then stand there over their body and jeer "Welcome to Pathfinder Online!... U Mad Bro?!"
Our methods are simple. If any major company or kingdom starts tending toward this kind of behavior. We will tear their settlements down brick by brick, urinate on the ashes, and do so again every time they attempt to rebuild. We will kill them every time we see them, and hunt them until they either learn some respect, or leave. We will dispatch soldiers and make frequent patrols of any area that becomes a frequent hangout of griefers, and we will support and protect any just companies or kingdoms who share our ideals.
We will reach out to the newer players and companies of the community to help them make the adjustment into PFO. Helping provide them with basic resources and ample amounts of information and advice.
And if we should be so blessed as to achieve both these goals, then we'll have some fun and honorable fights with the RP-evil kingdoms who concern themselves more with making profits or realizing their ambitions than ruining other people's gaming experience.
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This is probably not going to work out. The difficulty of securing an area that would be fun for non-PvP'ers to play in would probably be too great by itself, but it was also pointed out to me that there would likely be valuable resources in those hexes as well, and that securing those resources for the use of others doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Still, for those who want to try to play PFO while minimizing your exposure to PvP, I suggest you try to join a guild that doesn't suck at PvP and is set up to allow its members to contribute in whatever way they can.
Sign me up.
I wouldn't be surprised if we've already signed up some of your alts. I mean, that is the kind of think you're into, isn't it? Lurking in the shadows, using deceit and treachery to provide yourself some amusement?
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If Blaeringr wants to play the espionage angle, then of course he's got every significant group that is openly recruiting infiltrated.
The concept of the Aegis Alliance isn't about motive, it's about results. And I think the best results will come from something along the same idea, where PvP players are in a mutual support organization with PvE players, crafters, and the like. Conveniently, those will be supported by in-game organizations like settlements, nations, and alliances.
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This is probably not going to work out.
To be clear, I was saying that the idea of giving non-PvP'ers a walled garden of sorts probably isn't going to work out.
I am still very interested in working to build an alliance of generally Good organizations with the goal of carving out a section of the map and keeping it secure. I'm sure there are a number of details that would need to be worked out - no one wants to be expending their time and resources defending a member-state that's not really carrying their weight, and might even be intentionally draining resources.
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I am going to be focusing a lot of effort on keeping the areas immediately outside the safezones for new players relatively secure. I will also focus a lot of effort on keeping any major player-run academy that helps teach new players the game secure.
If you can tie your safeish zone into one of those two areas it will see a lot more of our attention.
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Sign me up.I wouldn't be surprised if we've already signed up some of your alts. I mean, that is the kind of think you're into, isn't it? Lurking in the shadows, using deceit and treachery to provide yourself some amusement?
I'm not entirely certain which of my agents you've recruited. We discuss on our forums plans and coordination, but we actually have left out our pseudonyms, for the most part.
I don't know, maybe our leader knows more details than I do. I'm really just a recruiter/PR agent.
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Sign me up.I wouldn't be surprised if we've already signed up some of your alts. I mean, that is the kind of think you're into, isn't it? Lurking in the shadows, using deceit and treachery to provide yourself some amusement?I'm not entirely certain which of my agents you've recruited. We discuss on our forums plans and coordination, but we actually have left out our pseudonyms, for the most part.
I don't know, maybe our leader knows more details than I do. I'm really just a recruiter/PR agent.
Either you have no idea of operational security, or you just made a calculated leak. In the first case, then either your organization is not a factor or you are not trusted within your organization; in the second case, what you said only tells me that you want me to believe it.
P.S. They should at least know enough that they can avoid stepping on each other's toes.
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Either you have no idea of operational security, or you just made a calculated leak. In the first case, then either your organization is not a factor or you are not trusted within your organization; in the second case, what you said only tells me that you want me to believe it.
P.S. They should at least know enough that they can avoid stepping on each other's toes.
Your first case is extremely amusing, for reasons I can't discuss. And no, it's not something as simple as we've infiltrated you.
No, the second case is much closer to the truth. You taunt my ego, expecting me to respond beating my chest about how grand and marvelous I am in the organization.
I have my duties, and that is enough.
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Sign me up.I wouldn't be surprised if we've already signed up some of your alts. I mean, that is the kind of think you're into, isn't it? Lurking in the shadows, using deceit and treachery to provide yourself some amusement?I'm not entirely certain which of my agents you've recruited. We discuss on our forums plans and coordination, but we actually have left out our pseudonyms, for the most part.
I don't know, maybe our leader knows more details than I do. I'm really just a recruiter/PR agent.
Either you have no idea of operational security, or you just made a calculated leak. In the first case, then either your organization is not a factor or you are not trusted within your organization; in the second case, what you said only tells me that you want me to believe it.
P.S. They should at least know enough that they can avoid stepping on each other's toes.
Hardly a leak, there's 2 good ways to maintain secrecy.
1. Never ever release any information of any value.2. Ensure that tons of information is released, but ensure that the truth and fabrication are indistinguishable, add some yourself if there is a shortage.
3. Most importantly, if your organization is designed to inspire fear, generate as much phobia as possible, we could be anywhere, we could be everywhere we are anyone.
It doesn't have to be a leak or a blunder, A calculated leak or a beneficial lie are equally valuable.
Most importantly, at least I can say in the case of pocket ace's plans. I don't intend for information to go to people who don't need it. If we are hired for an attack that our involvement in is intended to be a surprise 99% of the organization should know little more than the meeting place and time.
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Either you have no idea of operational security, or you just made a calculated leak. In the first case, then either your organization is not a factor or you are not trusted within your organization; in the second case, what you said only tells me that you want me to believe it.
P.S. They should at least know enough that they can avoid stepping on each other's toes.
Your first case is extremely amusing, for reasons I can't discuss. And no, it's not something as simple as we've infiltrated you.
No, the second case is much closer to the truth. You taunt my ego, expecting me to respond beating my chest about how grand and marvelous I am in the organization.
I have my duties, and that is enough.
And you pretend to oblige my taunts, by hinting at things and then saying that you have said too much already.
One of us is playing this game too many levels above the other, and I can't tell which one it is.
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I can see I haven't really missed much in my leave of absense.
People act according to their nature - just like The Scorpion and the Frog.
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Our methods are simple. If any major company or kingdom starts tending toward this kind of behavior. We will tear their settlements down brick by brick, urinate on the ashes, and do so again every time they attempt to rebuild. We will kill them every time we see them, and hunt them until they either learn some respect, or leave.
Sounds like fighting fire with fire Andius. Careful you don't trip in your march toward the light.
*EDIT* Blasted necro'd posts...
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To be clear, this is a very old thread from August of 2012. I had a fond feeling when I stumbled upon it while doing other research and wanted to share that. Although there are significant differences, I feel very good that the Roseblood Accord is indeed a very welcoming place both for those who really enjoy and look forward to PvP as well as those who wish to pursue a simpler life. And I'm proud that our members are very accepting of that kind of diversity, instead of belittling and heaping scorn on folks who don't toe the line.
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And I'm proud that our members are very accepting of that kind of diversity, instead of belittling and heaping scorn on folks who don't toe the line.
The intent was a PvP focused group that would make it's focus to protect non-PvP focused players. The fateful, and now I realize wrong decision that killed that dream was bringing PvEers into our fold in order to protect them better.
It still could have worked if players with no clue about PvP such as yourself, Lifedragn, and Forencith (Basically all of TEO/TSV leadership other than myself and Solemor, who are no longer with you.) were not given a voice in very strategic decisions.
Lifedragn was promoted with the understanding he had no experience in these kind of games, no experience in leadership, and would be relying on my experience until he was ready for those kinds of decisions. He was not, is not, and it this point probably never will be. You won't last that long.
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It still could have worked if players with no clue about PvP such as yourself, Lifedragn, and Forencith were not given a voice in very strategic decisions.
but...but...but...
...I know about PvP...
Seriously though, no...here Andius is partially correct, while I do have PvP (and RL military experience which Andius brags about in other threads) experience with several groups (including one called Murder Herd), I have to admit my primary interest and focus here in PFO is community. I would much rather get crushed with a group of non-PvPers that I enjoy spending time with than "win" with a group of PvPers I do not enjoy spending time with. I do not enjoy being or being with asshats.
Of course, those are extremes and a false dichotomy, I actually intend to "win" with a group that enjoys many aspects of the game, including PvP...but my focus will always be insuring the type of community I want to be part of is available to me and to those who I want to play with.
EDIT: And in light of the above, I admit I am very proud to be part of TSV, Phaeros, and the greater RA.
EDIT2: While I freely admit we have many members who are less interested in PvP, I think those who underestimate our collective PvP experience and decision making abilities are in for a rude awakening. I look forward to that day.
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I know all about your PvP experience and there is a reason I've decided you don't have any that matters.
The Seventh Veil started with a Band of Brothers Admiral at the head of it's military. A guy who had commanded thousands of ships in a single battle. I have no qualms saying Solemor Farmen was the most experienced and knowledgeable PvPer any group on PFO has had in their leadership, myself included. The man was a gold mine of solid reason and good ideas.
Solemor and I spent a lot of time talking while he was with TSV, and basically what he consistently reported to me was TSV leadership had no clue, were trying to exert too much control over the military when they didn't understand what it took to run a proper military, and just in general didn't function smoothly enough to survive in a competitive environment.
Your name was the primary one he consistently threw out as preaching bad tactics and crippling TSV's military capabilities. On the other hand he believed I had the right mentality and was fully confident in my capabilities, which was a large part of the reason he eventually quit TSV and joined TEO.
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Out of curiosity, are you going to consider discussion in every thread "he" ever responded to as a member of TEO a taunt now that he is not?
You can try to deflect, or explain away douche baggery in whatever way you choose, it only diminishes your own character. I guess the Roseblood Accord doesn't require taking a very high road at all.
Lol, and you guys think you are the bastion of a positive community.
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I know all about your PvP experience and there is a reason I've decided you don't have any that matters.
The Seventh Veil started with a Band of Brothers Admiral at the head of it's military. A guy who had commanded thousands of ships in a single battle. I have no qualms saying Solemor Farmen was the most experienced and knowledgeable PvPer any group on PFO has had in their leadership, myself included. The man was a gold mine of solid reason and good ideas.
Solemor and I spent a lot of time talking while he was with TSV, and basically what he consistently reported to me was TSV leadership had no clue, were trying to exert too much control over the military when they didn't understand what it took to run a proper military, and just in general didn't function smoothly enough to survive in a competitive environment.
Your name was the primary one he consistently threw out as preaching bad tactics and crippling TSV's military capabilities. On the other hand he believed I had the right mentality and was fully confident in my capabilities, which was a large part of the reason he eventually quit TSV and joined TEO.
Although I think you are cherry picking your facts a bit to support both your hatred of TSV/TEO and myself...as well as to justify your recent decisions, what you say is true enough.
Since Solemor and I were equal architects (with the other Stewards) in the development of the guild, I, being community oriented, countered his purely military focus...aiming for a result that would be at best an optimized merger of the two focuses, at worst a suitable compromise between the two design approaches. I am sure we landed somewhere in the middle. I am sure Solemor would be amused to learn that I still champion those compromises...because I agreed with the logic from both sides that led to their development.
I am pleased with the potential of the current iteration. The realization, of course, in-game will be the true test; as will be the case for all in-game groups.
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Out of curiosity, are you going to consider discussion in every thread "he" ever responded to as a member of TEO a taunt now that he is not?You can try to deflect, or explain away douche baggery in whatever way you choose, it only diminishes your own character. I guess the Roseblood Accord doesn't require taking a very high road at all.
Lol, and you guys think you are the bastion of a positive community.
I don't understand the hostility...I must admit, I think I am missing something...
EDIT: Is this a continuation of a fight currently raging elsewhere in the forums or something?
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So I imagined him in the Teamspeak practically screaming with rage because of how inept he believed some of the members of the TSV council were? Particularly Forencith and his lapdog Nihimon?
No. We were allied so I held my tongue as as not to strain our relations and tarnish your reputations. But his rage at your incapability to run (or just stand back and allow him to run) an effective military were very real.
It was both of our opinions at the time that if TSV were to survive it would be because TEO protected you. TEO isn't even in a position to protect itself anymore. Or have more than 7 of it's 177 members registered for the military yet? Because right now I'm seeing 170 easy targets and 7 defenders.
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Oddly enough, the only major decisions that were made regarding military matters were that Solemor would be in charge and that it was too early to be very specific about details.
Are those decisions carcinogenic?
I believe you then went back and tried to revise which powers that entailed? I also recall hearing that Forencith made the comment it should be considered treason if a TSV member abandons the defense of TSV assets to defend more valuable allied assets.
I wasn't spying on you, just talking to a friend in an allied organization, (Though I understand Forencith implied Solemor was spying on TSV for us) so I don't know all the details but from what I gathered there was quite a lot he was upset with.
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First you taunt him with a necro thread...
What's up with Pax & UNC deciding that this was done to taunt Andius? Seriously, why the hate?
I started this thread a very long time ago because it touches on something very important to me that has been a large part of everything I've tried to do here. I am a genuinely friendly, welcoming person who tries to be helpful. But I've had to deal with this constant low-level attack from folks like you practically the whole time. Why don't you just try to define yourself and let other folks define themselves?
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First you taunt him with a necro thread...What's up with Pax & UNC deciding that this was done to taunt Andius? Seriously, why the hate?
I started this thread a very long time ago because it touches on something very important to me that has been a large part of everything I've tried to do here. I am a genuinely friendly, welcoming person who tries to be helpful. But I've had to deal with this constant low-level attack from folks like you practically the whole time. Why don't you just try to define yourself and let other folks define themselves?
Because the majority of the success that your groups can be credited with belongs to me.
I don't really appreciate others defining themselves by my success and then telling me to define myself.
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So I imagined him in the Teamspeak practically screaming with rage because of how inept he believed some of the members of the TSV council were? Particularly Forencith and his lapdog Nihimon?
Yes, working with strangers with different ideas and methodologies can be frustrating, you know my own history in that area. Unfortunately, sometimes one cannot see the positive of ones situation beyond relatively small points of frustration until it is too late.
I am glad he had you to vent that frustration to and glad you cared to listen. Thank you.
No. We were allied so I held my tongue as as not to strain our relations and tarnish your reputations. But his rage at your incapability to run (or just stand back and allow him to run) an effective military were very real.
I have to agree with Decius here...you are talking about discussions we had 2-2.5 years ago while deciding the base structure and focus of TSV.
It was both of our opinions at the time that if TSV were to survive it would be because TEO protected you. TEO isn't even in a position to protect itself anymore. Or have more than 7 of it's 177 members registered for the military yet? Because right now I'm seeing 170 easy targets and 7 defenders.
That was not my decision. I assumed Solemor would build us a strong military. Now I expect others in TSV who are just as capable to to do it.
As far as TEOs strength goes, you laid a good foundation and did well for TEO when it was your community. We were and are proud to call ourselves allies. Whether you are proud of that now or not and what you have decided to do since is irrelevant to the fact that you did well.
From my perspective, which I understand you think is flawed and weak, TEO is currently the powerhouse in-game and I do not see that changing in the foreseeable future.
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First you taunt him with a necro thread...What's up with Pax & UNC deciding that this was done to taunt Andius? Seriously, why the hate?
I started this thread a very long time ago because it touches on something very important to me that has been a large part of everything I've tried to do here. I am a genuinely friendly, welcoming person who tries to be helpful. But I've had to deal with this constant low-level attack from folks like you practically the whole time. Why don't you just try to define yourself and let other folks define themselves?
Because the majority of the success that your groups can be credited with belongs to me.
I don't really appreciate others defining themselves by my success and then telling me to define myself.
See, that's the kind of gaslighting and revisionist history writing I've come to enjoy from the UNC. Just enough of a grain of truth to refute cliams of libel, and agenda ambiguous between "clueless" and "malicious".