| ImperatorK |
Infinimorph is a homebrew spell which follows alternative Polymorph rules homebrewed by The Giant from GitP. It's similar to 3.5 Shapechange.
I want to make an at-will item with an effect duplicating this spell. By the guidelines the price for it would be [9 (spell level) x 20 (caster level) x 2000] x 1.5 = 540 000, but I got no idea how much it is actually worth. Higher level Polymorph spells are very versatile and powerful, so it's probably more than that. But how much? What reasonable price would you give it?
| Thazar |
I think the point they are getting at is that this item may possibly be valued at 200K+ GP... and that makes it an artifact.
Allowing any 9th level magic spell to be used at will forever is artifact level power in my opinion.
The closest magic item in the CRB is a mirror of life trapping. That basically allows a 9th level spell to be used at will... but there is a save for the effects and there is a practical limit to how often it can be used at 15 times before you recycle targets. This item is 200K and I think having Shapechange at will is more powerful then this.
But if you want a price, I would go with a list price of 540K GP X 5 for a total cost of 2.7M GP. This is the formula you used above with a five or more times per day multiplier. You could also use the old 3.5 Epic book to get an alternate price setting with DM approval.
| ImperatorK |
I think the point they are getting at is that this item may possibly be valued at 200K+ GP... and that makes it an artifact.
I know it will cost more than 200k. I said so myself. 540k is the price it will cost following the guidelines. And I think it would probably cost more.
I'm not sure why you're multiplying it by 5.Allowing any 9th level magic spell to be used at will forever is artifact level power in my opinion.
And as I said I don't care if it's an artifact.
| Thazar |
I did answer what I thought it was worth. I think the value of the item is at about 2.7 or maybe 2.5 million GP. The multiplier is for a couple of reasons. Continuous effects of spells that have a shorter duration are more then the base calculation and have a multiplier of between 1.5 and 4. Also items that are of greater value and usefulness then standard for their level are more valuable. (Such as a ring of invisibility or cloak of displacement.) My estimate was a X5 final number.
Going back to 3.5 rules - Bracers of Relentless Might gave a +12 Bonus to STR and Con. These items had a value of 4.4 million gold. Your shapechange spell may not add as much to either ability as that but it will be close to that number to STR and CON, plus NA and various powers and abilities. So pricing an item at about half that value is a pretty generous price I would say.
It is of course up to the DM and level of expectations for your game and table as to what anything is worth. Not every group follows the wealth by level rules. (Mine does not as we are about double those values.)
| Skylancer4 |
First off the spell is much more powerful than the PF version of polymorph, so in effect it is higher than 9th level in PF "world" if you are really interested in a true price comparison. Higher than 9th level is epic, which should carry a huge price tag.
There is a multiplier for an item when there is a # of times per day that I'm guessing Thazar is tacking on. Normally I would just toss the idea of it, but honestly the ability to use a better shapechange than the PF normal by anyone/any class as opposed to what a caster can do at max level... Well the price deserves the modifier in this case.
| ImperatorK |
Why do you want to know a price for this item?
To know how much it will take to make and how much it will cost.
Continuous effects of spells that have a shorter duration are more then the base calculation and have a multiplier of between 1.5 and 4.
540k already has the x1.5 modifier included.
Also items that are of greater value and usefulness then standard for their level are more valuable.
That's why I'm agreeing that it will cost more than 540k. But 5 times more is way too much.
Going back to 3.5 rules - Bracers of Relentless Might gave a +12 Bonus to STR and Con. These items had a value of 4.4 million gold.
Meh. Epic Item rules are out of wack. I'm not planning on using them, at least not often.
First off the spell is much more powerful than the PF version of polymorph, so in effect it is higher than 9th level in PF "world" if you are really interested in a true price comparison. Higher than 9th level is epic, which should carry a huge price tag.
It's a 9th level spell. I'm not interested what level it is in "PF world", because I'm playing in "my world".
| Cheapy |
It's a 9th level spell. I'm not interested what level it is in "PF world", because I'm playing in "my world".
Then set the price to whatever it'll be in "your world" and be done with it.
Or, since it's an artifact, make some big epic quest to get it for free.
What you are doing is like taking a volkswagen beetle, and demanding to know the steps to make it into a space shuttle. There are no steps. It's not a space shuttle. The rules of space shuttles do not apply since it is a car, not a space shuttle.
Mods: Flagged for changing forums, as this is homebrew.
| ImperatorK |
Then set the price to whatever it'll be in "your world" and be done with it.
Except I want a reasonable price, but don't know what would be reasonable.
Or, since it's an artifact, make some big epic quest to get it for free.
Not an artifact. It's just a powerful item.
Mods: Flagged for changing forums, as this is homebrew.
I disagree. I'm not homebrewing. So I'd ask you to un-flagg or something, because I do not wish for my thread to be moved where it does not belong.
| Skylancer4 |
And when a "reasonable" price is given by several posters you disagree. So the only thing left to do is say "do what you are going to do anyways." You are essentially asking for help and when it is offered saying "no, I don't want to hear it" because it isn't the answer you want to get.
This item is pretty much the definition of an artifact, an at will ability that is better than a comparable 9th level spell... without a drawback. Heck, it is better than an artifact.
| Phasics |
I am asking for advice. If anything, the thread should probably be moved to Advice subforum.
If it would be so easy to make a decision, I wouldn't have made this thread.
I'm almost sure it's worth more than 540k, but 5 times more is just too much.
you can ask for advice in the homebrew forum there's no rule against it