Death from Above (feat)


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Death from Above
Benefit: Whenever you charge an opponent from higher ground, or from above while flying, you gain a +5 bonus on attack rolls in place of the bonuses from charging and being on higher ground.

My question, is since you get the bonus to attack for being on higher ground while mounted, could you use this feat while on a horse to get a higher bonus to your charge attack?

If so, would it stack with the additional bonus to charge attacks granted to a Cavalier?


Yes. Don't know.

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Someoneknocking wrote:

Death from Above

Benefit: Whenever you charge an opponent from higher ground, or from above while flying, you gain a +5 bonus on attack rolls in place of the bonuses from charging and being on higher ground.

My question, is since you get the bonus to attack for being on higher ground while mounted, could you use this feat while on a horse to get a higher bonus to your charge attack?

If so, would it stack with the additional bonus to charge attacks granted to a Cavalier?

Yes and yes.

Sczarni

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You don't always get the higher ground bonus, only when your mount is bigger. Seems like a small distinction, but it's there.

Grand Lodge

Strix PCs love this feat.

Silver Crusade

Does this description mean that you get the benefit if your just flying but not charging? Or that you must charge WHILE flying to get the +5? Building an Asamar Paladin who will get wings and looking to take this feat, but not if I have to charge to get it.

Grand Lodge

Hmm, a PC who utilizes a flying mount and uses a Lance can benefit quite a bit from this feat.

Silver Crusade

Humm.... Guess I'm going to take it as written that you get the +5 while charging from higher ground OR if you are flying.


AhRae wrote:
Does this description mean that you get the benefit if your just flying but not charging? Or that you must charge WHILE flying to get the +5?

No, the benefit only applies while charging. Look how the sentence is constructed.

Death from Above wrote:
Whenever you charge an opponent from higher ground, or from above while flying, you gain a +5 bonus on attack rolls in place of the bonuses from charging and being on higher ground.

1) Whenever you charge an opponent

2a) from higher ground, or
2b) from above while flying,
3) you gain a +5 bonus....

The "from above while flying" only replaces the "from higher ground;" it can't grammatically replace the "charge an opponent" requirement because it has no verb to replace it with.

Silver Crusade

Thanks, I think.... You managed to conjure up my long forgotten nightmares of grade school English. This means I can charge & smite you with my Paladin at a +5 as your PURE EVIL!!!!! ;O)


So I am right in thinking that if I took a running jump at an enemy, using an allies shield (also with the PC's assist action) to launch my guy into the air, I'd get this bonus, as well as from running and jumping from a higher ledge onto an enemy?

Shame you still take the fall damage though. :(


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AhRae wrote:
Thanks, I think.... You managed to conjure up my long forgotten nightmares of grade school English. This means I can charge & smite you with my Paladin at a +5 as your PURE EVIL!!!!! ;O)

*you're


So it can benefit mounted characters. Welp, AM Barbarian got scarier again!


cartmanbeck wrote:
Someoneknocking wrote:

Death from Above

Benefit: Whenever you charge an opponent from higher ground, or from above while flying, you gain a +5 bonus on attack rolls in place of the bonuses from charging and being on higher ground.

My question, is since you get the bonus to attack for being on higher ground while mounted, could you use this feat while on a horse to get a higher bonus to your charge attack?

If so, would it stack with the additional bonus to charge attacks granted to a Cavalier?

Yes and yes.

I agree with you on the first question.

On the second, I'd like to be able to agree with you, but I'm not sure I can.

The Cavalier ability "Cavalier's Charge" reads as follows:

"The Cavalier receives a +4 bonus on melee attack rolls on a charge while mounted (instead of the normal +2)."

If I'm reading Death From Above right, what it does is replace the normal bonuses from charging and being on higher ground (+2 and +1, respectively) with a +5 bonus (for a net +2 to hit).

In the case of a cavalier using Cavalier's Charge, the +2 bonus to hit from charging is replaced with a +4 bonus (to hit while mounted).

The way Death From Above is worded, it would replace the +4 bonus from Cavalier's Charge and the +1 bonus from higher ground with a +5 bonus. Which means it would effectively do nothing.

If I am wrong, please show me how.

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