How to go about Intimidating people?


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So I am making a Razmiran Sorcerer (I haven't picked a Bloodline yet and still need help on that) and I wanted to take quite a few spell focuses to boost the DC's to save. Then I realized that I could Intimidate my opponents and give them a -2 on all saves and AC. This makes hitting them with spells much easier and essentially giving me Greater Spell Focus on every spell I cast (against opponents I have intimidated) at the cost of my action economy.

Now here is the question. How do I reduce the action economy of using the Intimidate action on groups on enemies? Could I take Weapon Focus Ray then pick up Dazzling Display with my Rays?Is there a more efficient way to do this? Is there a bloodline that could help with this? Please give me the most efficient way to do this.

Note: I can use any material from any Piazo source and most 3pp stuff is good with GM approval. And before someone says, "pick a bloodline then make a character" my backstory has to do with my Archetype more than my bloodline.


Wow. Way to call me out on that. (Or maybe more people than just me told you to pick a bloodline first. I haven't seen the other thread since I posted.) Anyway, the only way to get free Intimidate rolls involves a feat investment that a sorcerer can't afford, and getting into melee which is usually a very bad thing for sorcerers. Also, I don't think Dazzling Display works with rays because you can't wield rays. The only way to make it work is to build a gish, which I'm going to assume is not something you want to do.

Also, I still stand by the Sage bloodline I suggested, if you still haven't picked a bloodline.


I don't see why dazzling display should not work for rays.
As to wielding them: The sorcerer could always cast a ray of frost (without trying to harm someone) as part of the dazzling display usage.

I'd allow it.


Umbranus wrote:

I don't see why dazzling display should not work for rays.

As to wielding them: The sorcerer could always cast a ray of frost (without trying to harm someone) as part of the dazzling display usage.

I'd allow it.

...The problem being that dazzling display is a full round action.

Even if you could cast a quickened ray of frost, I'm still not sure that you could be said to be 'wielding' it (I'm assuming that you need to 'wield' the weapon for the full round of the dazzling display?).

Be interesting to get more thoughts on this one.


isnt there like a first level inquisitor spell that intimidates a group and sets them on fire? maybe dip a level for that? also there are Inquisiton domains that buff intimidate as well... heritic I think...


I said you cast it as part of the full round action, like you would do things with a weapon as full round action.

Imagine a mage is standing there, chanting, gesturing, looking intimidating, laughing about you and during all that a blue ray of pure energy appears out of nowhere and strikes a flower/blade of gras/ stick the mage is holding which freezes and then shatters.
As this happens the mage threatens: "Who wants to be next?"

That's what I mean with he is wielding the ray.


Great description! I would also allow it, it's like intimidating with a bow or another ranged weapon: you shoot between the leg of the nearest foe.


I remember seeing a spell recently that basically melted your face and made you look scarier, giving you a bonus on intimidate for minutes per level. Can't remember what it's called, though.

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I don't know that I'd suggest it, but if you took a level of Rogue with the Rake archetype, you get a free Intimidate check on Sneak Attacks (by dropping 1d6 from your Sneak Attack damage). You *can* use a ray for your Sneak Attack, as long as you're within 30 feet.

So it's possible, but I don't know if it fits in with your build. (Though if you have any desire to eventually move into, say Arcane Trickster, the synergy could be very interesting.)

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submit2me wrote:
Wow. Way to call me out on that.

Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling you out on that. I just didn't want this thread to derail into that (even though the last one didn't either). And I am kind of thinking of Sage like you suggested because I do love me some skill points.

Also I was thinking of talking with my GM and seeing if I could just have my body coarse with magic during the Dazzling Display. I mean how is that any less intimidating then some one swinging a sword 30ft away from you for six seconds? Also do you think that Dazzling Display would work well the way I want to use it, to debuff a group of enemy's for me and my team?

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Umbranus wrote:


Imagine a mage is standing there, chanting, gesturing, looking intimidating, laughing about you and during all that a blue ray of pure energy appears out of nowhere and strikes a flower/blade of gras/ stick the mage is holding which freezes and then shatters.
As this happens the mage threatens: "Who wants to be next?"

I don't know how I missed that on my first read through of responses, I love that. That is essentially what I was going to go for.

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baalbamoth wrote:
isnt there like a first level inquisitor spell that intimidates a group and sets them on fire? maybe dip a level for that? also there are Inquisiton domains that buff intimidate as well... heritic I think...

Blistering Invective:

School evocation [fire, language-dependent]; Level alchemist 2, bard 2, inquisitor 2

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S

Range personal
Area 30-ft. radius
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Reflex partial, see text; Spell Resistance special, see below

You unleash an insulting tirade so vicious and spiteful that enemies who hear it are physically scorched by your fury. When you cast this spell, make an Intimidate check to demoralize each enemy within 30 feet of you. Enemies that are demoralized this way take 1d10 points of fire damage and must succeed at a Reflex save or catch fire. Spell Resistance can negate the fire damage caused by this spell, but does not protect the creature from the demoralizing effect.


I believe this is the spell you where talking about. Since a Razmiran Priest can use Divine Spells from a scroll by expending one of his spell slots at least one level higher without using a charge at 9th lvl, it might be better for me to wait until then to pick this up. (I'm 6th lvl by the way, forgot to mention that in the beginning).

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Is there any other way to accomplish my goal efficiently?


Wouldn't having an aura work best? No need to target, no need to spend any actions...
Of course, then the problem is getting an appropriate aura. Aura of Doom is a divine spell, and the old 3.5 Blackguard was left behind.

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