Title is subject.
Once the target is stuck in a Icy Prison, with a succeded or failed save, there is the option to break the ice, which have 0hardness and 3hp/caster level.
The lvl12 BBEWizard casts Icy Prison on my poor gnome sorcerer. I fail my save because of my poor reflexes. I'm stuck in 12inches of ice, which has 36HP.
If my BSF come up and give a power attack with his greatsword and does 47 points of damage, which would be the "real" scene?
1) The ice would completely break. My gnomish self is free.
2) The ice breaks, but I take the over damages (in this case, 11). Ouch!
3) The ice breaks, but so does my arm. 47 damage!
4) The ice takes half the damages (23), so do I. The ice is not yet broken.
What do you think ?
Also wondering: Does the entangle of Icy prison halves your movement or completely prevent them? Are you considered "stuck" in Ice?
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Don't know what RAW is but my first instinct is number 2.
Yeah, but that question is also completely relevant with the possibility of delivering a coup de grace to the helpless target stuck in ice. In that case, the Fort Save for avoiding death would be way lower. But that might also be exactly the point of this spell. You can make a coup de grace, but don't miss it, because you have more chance to free your enemy than killing him ! ;p
I don't think you would take the extra damage from the attack. Much like Sundering armor, breaking the armor doesn't send the extra damage to the wearer unless the person making the attack has Greater Sunder I think it is. As such, without a similar effect, the damage wouldn't transfer.
The ice actually blocks line of effect (so you can't even cast spells on them anymore, let alone coup de grace).
The ice would in fact be targeted, not you. All line of effects are blocked to you, so if the ice breaks it doesn't bleed over. Same as if something swallowed you whole.
Since it's an object, the BSF would be making a sunder attempt against the ice. If the BSF doesn't have improved sunder, then he triggers an attack of opportunity. If he does have improved sunder, then no AOO.
Greater Sunder specifically calls out Weapons, Shields and Suits of Armor, and since the ice-cage does not qualify as any of those, then no over-flow damage happens.
So in fact, even if the target of the spell is considered Helpless, there is no way anybody could land a coup de grace or a sneak attack, since they would need to break the ice first?
Amuny wrote: So in fact, even if the target of the spell is considered Helpless, there is no way anybody could land a coup de grace or a sneak attack, since they would need to break the ice first?
Yes. Kinda misleading how it's phrased isn't it? Like trying to gut a fish frozen in an ice block.
Sekret_One wrote: Amuny wrote: So in fact, even if the target of the spell is considered Helpless, there is no way anybody could land a coup de grace or a sneak attack, since they would need to break the ice first?
Yes. Kinda misleading how it's phrased isn't it? Like trying to gut a fish frozen in an ice block. Seems legit.
Thanks for all your answer, it makes it way more clear.
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