Can't see why not. I made a Synthesist/First-Worlder once, it's pretty the same thing.
While I'd definitely allow it at my gaming table (since I don't see it being anymore broken than the synthesist already is), it does seem to "replace" The Eidolon class feature. The thing that puzzles me is the "This ability alters the normal summoner’s eidolon class feature, but is otherwise identical to that class feature" part. Marking for FAQ, cuz I'd like to have absolute proof.
While I'd definitely allow it at my gaming table (since I don't see it being anymore broken than the synthesist already is), it does seem to "replace" The Eidolon class feature. The thing that puzzles me is the "This ability alters the normal summoner’s eidolon class feature, but is otherwise identical to that class feature" part. Marking for FAQ, cuz I'd like to have absolute proof.
A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature. For example, a paladin could not be both a hospitaler and an undead scourge since they both modify the smite evil class feature and both replace the aura of justice class feature. A paladin could, however, be both an undead scourge and a warrior of the holy light, since none of their new class features replace the same core class feature.
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While I'd definitely allow it at my gaming table (since I don't see it being anymore broken than the synthesist already is), it does seem to "replace" The Eidolon class feature. The thing that puzzles me is the "This ability alters the normal summoner’s eidolon class feature, but is otherwise identical to that class feature" part. Marking for FAQ, cuz I'd like to have absolute proof.
A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature. For example, a paladin could not be both a hospitaler and an undead scourge since they both modify the smite evil class feature and both replace the aura of justice class feature. A paladin could, however, be both an undead scourge and a warrior of the holy light, since none of their new class features replace the same core class feature.
This. But I think as a GM I would allow it in a home game if you gave a good reason why you wanted it for flavor purposes.
RAW, clearly no, as demonstrated by others. At my table? sure, you're not spending the same dollar twice so why not?
I predict that the FAQ tag does nothing. If a developer does pop by, he's going to say, "I don't see a problem with that", but it will never make it to the FAQ or errata, so it still won't be legal for society play.
While I'd definitely allow it at my gaming table (since I don't see it being anymore broken than the synthesist already is), it does seem to "replace" The Eidolon class feature. The thing that puzzles me is the "This ability alters the normal summoner’s eidolon class feature, but is otherwise identical to that class feature" part. Marking for FAQ, cuz I'd like to have absolute proof.
A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature. For example, a paladin could not be both a hospitaler and an undead scourge since they both modify the smite evil class feature and both replace the aura of justice class feature. A paladin could, however, be both an undead scourge and a warrior of the holy light, since none of their new class features replace the same core class feature.
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where did that quote come from? Because this conversation has come up at a couple table I have played at. Would like to be able to print out official verbage. Thanks
While I'd definitely allow it at my gaming table (since I don't see it being anymore broken than the synthesist already is), it does seem to "replace" The Eidolon class feature. The thing that puzzles me is the "This ability alters the normal summoner’s eidolon class feature, but is otherwise identical to that class feature" part. Marking for FAQ, cuz I'd like to have absolute proof.
A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature. For example, a paladin could not be both a hospitaler and an undead scourge since they both modify the smite evil class feature and both replace the aura of justice class feature. A paladin could, however, be both an undead scourge and a warrior of the holy light, since none of their new class features replace the same core class feature.wraithstrike
where did that quote come from? Because this conversation has come up at a couple table I have played at. Would like to be able to print out official verbage. Thanks
It is in the APG, page 72, under the heading alternate class features.
Thanks Wraith
Honestly I don't see why anyone would allow wild caller with synthesis. There's already balance problems with synthesis having it stack a ton of extra evolutions would just make it worse I think. Though for a number of posters above this doesn't seem to be an issue.
That alters part is far too broad.
I've seen it be used to justify not letting archetypes stack where the only "alteration" was one archetype adding to the types of feats you could take as bonus feats, and otherwise not touching the feature at all.
That's ridiculous.
That alters part is far too broad.
I've seen it be used to justify not letting archetypes stack where the only "alteration" was one archetype adding to the types of feats you could take as bonus feats, and otherwise not touching the feature at all.
That's ridiculous.
But the rules about stacking archetypes cite two paladin archetypes that affect the same class feature in different, compatible ways. I guess this rule eliminates the need for judgment calls about whether any given combination is compatible with another.
Actually, that rule is not enough for eliminating invalid combinations. There is a ranger archetype whose primary feature replaces favored terrain with a selectable bonus based on favored enemy but does not affect favored enemy itself in any way. That archetype is implicitly incompatible with any ranger archetype that replaces favored enemy, since then the archetype feature has nothing to key off of.
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Just wondering on people's opinion if these two 'archetypes' can be incorporated with one character? I'm not sure if "class feature" is supposed to be considered the same as "class's eidolon ability".
Thanks for any replies/help!!
(Wild-caller wording)
This ability alters the normal summoner’s eidolon
class feature, but is otherwise identical to that
class feature.(Synthesist wording)
This ability replaces
the class’s eidolon ability, bond senses, and life bond.
No, but you CAN have a Synthesist/Blood God Disciple, which is pretty sweet :-D
will you get Evolutions for eating monsters