re: Ioun Stones and Wayfinders


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Silver Crusade

I have a PFS character who has recently purchased an Incandescent Blue Sphere Ioun Stone. He also has a Wayfinder. My character has stuck the Ioun Stone into the socket on the wayfinder.

Does this mean my character would have access to the Blind fight feat?

Thanks

Grand Lodge

As long as he has the wayfinder with the incandescent blue sphere on his person, he can use Blind-Fight as a bonus feat and gains a +2 enhancement bonus to Wisdom. The wayfinder can't produce light while being used in this way.


Incandescent Blue Sphere (Ioun Stone)
Aura strong varied; CL 12th

Slot —; Price 8,000 gp; Weight —

DESCRIPTION
This stone grants the wearer a +2 enhancement bonus to Wisdom.

Cracked: This stone grants a +1 competence bonus on one Wisdom-based skill. Price: 200 gp.

Flawed: This stone grants a +2 enhancement bonus to Wisdom and a –2 penalty on Perception checks. Price: 7,200 gp.

See Inferior Ioun Stones for details on cracked and flawed variant stones.

CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS
Craft Wondrous Item, creator must be 12th level; Cost 4,000 gp.

Where does it say that you get Blind-fight? Is this something new?


also how much does a way finder with a second slot cost?

Shadow Lodge

Wayfinders have a resonance when an ioun stone is placed in them (detailed in Seekers of Secrets). In this case it provides blind-fight as a bonus feat. There is one 2 slot wayfinder that I know if, its 136,000.

Silver Crusade

Starglim,
Thanks that is very helpful,
Elyas


There's an ebon wayfinder in Seekers of Secrets that grants constant darkvision (60ft) and darkness 1/day while empty. It's only 18k to buy, 9k to make. Putting one ioun stone in it removes the darkness 1/day, two removes the darkvision.

It's on the d20pfsrd.

(EDIT: Idk if that's the same one or different to the one mentioned upthread.)

Silver Crusade

There is one that allows three ioun stones to be places in it. Also in seeker of secrets

Shadow Lodge

Yeah, my bad. The 136K wayfinder is the three slot one.


Oh wow, this is impressive.


just curious but what is the purpose of the wayfinder, is there some distinct reason not to have it circle your head? my understanding is that there is no limit to how many can circle you so no real reason to 'stow' it away. Is it only to protect it from getting destroyed?

Grand Lodge

Gobo Horde wrote:
just curious but what is the purpose of the wayfinder, is there some distinct reason not to have it circle your head? my understanding is that there is no limit to how many can circle you so no real reason to 'stow' it away. Is it only to protect it from getting destroyed?

Well, the basic wayfinder is a compass which can cast Light at will.

Ioun stones circling your head are not easy to target, but can be subject to being grabbed, which does ugly things.

Depending on the level of wayfinder, you can have one to three Ioun stones both ungrabable, but also gain a secondary effect from resonance (described in Seeker of Secrets).

In the initial question here, the user gains not only the original +2 enhancement bonus to Wisdom from the Ioun stone, but he exchanges the ability to cast Light at will, not that great an ability, especially since he is likely to be a Divine caster with access to the orison anyway, in exchange for having the effects of having the Blind-Fighting feat. Not a bad exchange, IMO.

PFS uses the Method 1 way of determining resonance effects, although it only works for full Ioun stones, not any of the imperfect ones (in PFS).


Pretty sure you can attack them too. They have an AC of 24, Hardness 5, 10HP. Not that hard to sunder or shatter. Can be grabbed/stolen like kinevon said, too. Also, they're really obvious floating 1d3 feet from your head in an orbit. If they're in a wayfinder they're hidden/protected.


interesting, so another question, if way-finders take up no slots, could you potently have a few on you filled with stones (aside from the cost)? any real point to this?


The auras of multiple resonating wayfinders will interfere and not work, but ioun stones are themselves slotless, so you're free to have as many as you can afford floating around your head.

Grand Lodge

If you really wanted to, you could always use the other Ioun Stone rule in Seeker of Secrets, embedding Ioun Stones.

Have to attune yourself and the stone (fast, Charisma checks, etc.), and have surgery performed to put the stone into your body somewhere after attunement.

Sounds a bit ... odd ... to me, but given some of the things you can see people have done to themselves in the real world, I guess it isn't all that bad.


Take Boat wrote:
The auras of multiple resonating wayfinders will interfere and not work, but ioun stones are themselves slotless, so you're free to have as many as you can afford floating around your head.

So can you use multiple non-resonating wayfinders (Such as one kept purely for Light or cracked/flawed stone use) alongside one resonating wayfinders?

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Maps, Rulebook Subscriber
Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Wayfinders have a resonance when an ioun stone is placed in them (detailed in Seekers of Secrets). In this case it provides blind-fight as a bonus feat.

Note that in order to use this in PFS you would have to have a copy of Seeker of Secrets (or the relevant page of a watermarked PDF printed out) available to show the GM.

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