Can Limit Wish Spell Mimic metamagic feats

[Shyne]

if you casted a Limited Wish and used it to cast a Fireball spell could you instead have it mimic an Intensified Fireball, Extended Haste or anything like that.

[ShadowcatX]

By RAW, no. However, as long as the modified spell level didn't exceed 6, I'd probably allow it.

[quirthanon]

Shyne wrote:

if you casted a Limited Wish and used it to cast a Fireball spell could you instead have it mimic an Intensified Fireball, Extended Haste or anything like that.

Sure why not? As long as the final meta-magic adjusted level falls into the Limited Wish guidelines.

[Bobson]

I'd be hesitant to allow quicken, since you'd be then casting limited wish as a swift action, but I have no problems with anything else. I feel like that isn't RAW, though.

[Volkspanzer]

Bobson wrote:

I'd be hesitant to allow quicken, since you'd be then casting limited wish as a swift action, but I have no problems with anything else. I feel like that isn't RAW, though.

I'm a little confused, how does that work?

Do you mean,"I'll cast limited wish, so now I cast a quickened limited wish."?

Or do you mean,"I'll cast limited wish, so now I'll cast a quickened fireball."?

I must be missing a joke here....

Firstly, you wouldn't be able to cast limited wish with limited wish, as it's 7th level spell. Secondly, why would you burn a standard action in order to use a swift action?

[Sleet Storm]

Limited Wish can create any effect that is in Line with the powerlevel of the spells it can duplicate and an Empowered Intensified Fireball is a sixt level Wizard Spell ,so its clearly in line with the powerlevel of the spells it can duplicate.

I´d say yes.

[ShadowcatX]

I think Bobson thought that if you cast the spell you were substituting for limited wish as a swift action limited wish would be a swift action.

[Volkspanzer]

ShadowcatX wrote:

I think Bobson thought that if you cast the spell you were substituting for limited wish as a swift action limited wish would be a swift action.

I read this too quickly the first time, and I can conservatively say that a man can survive a head explosion. I'm living proof.

[Bobson]

ShadowcatX wrote:

I think Bobson thought that if you cast the spell you were substituting for limited wish as a swift action limited wish would be a swift action.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. After all, what would the point of using it to cast a quickened magic missile, if you weren't expecting to do it as a swift action? Which is why I'd say that the casting time is as per limited wish, even if you're emulating a quickened spell. In other words, don't quicken your emulated spells.

[ShadowcatX]

Bobson wrote:

ShadowcatX wrote:

I think Bobson thought that if you cast the spell you were substituting for limited wish as a swift action limited wish would be a swift action.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. After all, what would the point of using it to cast a quickened magic missile, if you weren't expecting to do it as a swift action? Which is why I'd say that the casting time is as per limited wish, even if you're emulating a quickened spell. In other words, don't quicken your emulated spells.

AFAIK emulated spells don't have a casting time, the limited wish spell basically turns into the spell you were casting.

[Quantum Steve]

I would say that a Quickened Magic Missile is in line with the effects Limited Wish can produce, but that would necessitate changing the casting time of Limited Wish.

Another thing to consider, If one were to emulate Restoration with Limited Wish, would it have a 1 minute casting time, or 1 standard action?

[DeathMvp]

Personly as long as your totle meta does not put it over the level cap I would alow limited wish and wish to do this.

[ShadowcatX]

A standard action. The casting of limited wish isn't the same as the casting of restoration, it simply produces the same effect.

And again, producing the same effect as a quickened spell is pointless, because to produce that effect required a standard action.

[Shyne]

ShadowcatX wrote:

A standard action. The casting of limited wish isn't the same as the casting of restoration, it simply produces the same effect.

And again, producing the same effect as a quickened spell is pointless, because to produce that effect required a standard action.

I agree with Shadowcat, I think the quicken effect would be pointless.

[Shyne]

When you use limited wish to duplicate a spell like Fireball do feats like spell focus and spell penetration improve it?

[ShadowcatX]

By strict raw, I would say no on spell focus (as you can't take spell focus on universal school, which limited wish is) but yes on spell penetration. However, as a DM I'd probably let spell focus work if the spell was making that type of effect. I mean heck, if you're paying 1,500 to effectively heighten a fireball? I'm willing to throw you a bone.