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It appears to me as this would work... but I just thought I'd ask for a double check on the rules.
Would using the Hurl Scabbard trick from Adventurer's Armory work with the Opening Volley feat?
Your ranged assault leaves your foe disoriented and vulnerable to your melee attack.
Benefit: Whenever you deal damage with a ranged attack, you gain a +4 circumstance bonus on the next melee attack roll you make against the opponent. This attack must occur before the end of your next turn.
Hurl Scabbard and other Equipment Tricks
It helps if you link to or post the information you are talking about. Especially if it isn't in the core rulebook.
But to answer your question, I see no reason why it wouldn't work. You draw out your weapon as a free action thanks to Quick Draw, hurl the combat scabbard as a swift action with Hurl Scabbard, and attack your foe with your newly drawn melee weapon as a standard action with a +4 bonus thanks to Opening Volley (or even as a full attack action).
Seems like a perfectly sensible combo.
** spoiler omitted **Hurl Scabbard and other Equipment Tricks
** spoiler omitted **It helps if you link to or post the information you are talking about. Especially if it isn't in the core rulebook.
But to answer your question, I see no reason why it wouldn't work. You draw out your weapon as a free action thanks to Quick Draw, hurl the combat scabbard as a swift action with Hurl Scabbard, and attack your foe with your newly drawn melee weapon as a standard action with a +4 bonus thanks to Opening Volley (or even as a full attack action).
Seems like a perfectly sensible combo.
Heh... sorry, I'm running purely on caffeine right now. Forgot to add the links.
Thank you for your response. :)
It's especially neat since you seem to be able to attack with the scabbard AND your first melee attack at your highest base attack bonus. :D
This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.
This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.
Why would you get the bonus twice?
This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?
Yeah...
Should not be able to, you only get one swift action.
The scabbard needs to be for a heavy blade, thus two-handed.
This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?Yeah...
Should not be able to, you only get one swift action.
The scabbard needs to be for a heavy blade, thus two-handed.
no, not two handed. just not light. longswords count as heavy blades.
One good thing though... a human fighter could be set up to do this from first level. You'd just need a good STR and DEX, and spend all three of your starting feats.
Quick Draw, Opening Volley, Equipment Trick (Heavy Blade Scabbard)
no, not two handed. just not light. longswords count as heavy blades.
Hmm... over looked longsword and scimitar. I'm still not sure if opening volley can stack with itself.
Sorry 'bout spam posting, but I just had a funny thought.
It'd be kinda fun for this character to carry spare bladed scabbards as "reloads" for this combo. He would just need to spend the action to re-sheath his sword between doing the combo.
This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?
Gun in off hand, pull your sword, attack with scabbard, attack with sword, attack with gun, attack with sword.
Gun in off hand, pull your sword, attack with scabbard, attack with sword, attack with gun, attack with sword.This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?
The question is... does the bonus stack? I'm not sure if you can stack two circumstance bonuses from the same source or at all.
The question is... does the bonus stack? I'm not sure if you can stack two circumstance bonuses from the same source or at all.Gun in off hand, pull your sword, attack with scabbard, attack with sword, attack with gun, attack with sword.This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?
You can't, but you aren't. Oppening Volley only gives you a bonus on your next melee attack, not all of them. Normally it would go like this: Pistol attack, sword attack with +4 bonus, sword attack with lesser bonus, no +4.
With the scabbard trick, it's: scabbard attack, sword attack with +4, pistol attack, sword attack with +4 (at lower BAB). It only works before level 6 if you have haste, but once you get that iterative attack, you can do it as your opening move when you get close enough to land the melee attacks.
The question is... does the bonus stack? I'm not sure if you can stack two circumstance bonuses from the same source or at all.Gun in off hand, pull your sword, attack with scabbard, attack with sword, attack with gun, attack with sword.This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?You can't, but you aren't. Oppening Volley only gives you a bonus on your next melee attack, not all of them. Normally it would go like this: Pistol attack, sword attack with +4 bonus, sword attack with lesser bonus, no +4.
With the scabbard trick, it's: scabbard attack, sword attack with +4, pistol attack, sword attack with +4 (at lower BAB). It only works before level 6 if you have haste, but once you get that iterative attack, you can do it as your opening move when you get close enough to land the melee attacks.
Hmm... and you'd more than likely be provoking attacks for the ranged pistol attack after you've moved into melee range for the first attack. So this would really only be of limited utility until you'd picked up some way to prevent the AoO... or you are dropping vastly weaker enemies.
Gun in off hand, pull your sword, attack with scabbard, attack with sword, attack with gun, attack with sword.This is so full of win. I just got some insane ideas for a TWF sword and pistol gunslinger using this to get the +4 bonus twice in the first combat round.Why would you get the bonus twice?
Ah, I see. Maybe Opening Volley isn't as bad as I originally thought.
On a side note...
Thanks to the updated weapons list - LIST UPDATE - Katana are heavy blades officially.(even though they were considered alternate bastard swords)
I'm just trying to imagine what a bladed katana scabbard looks like.
I'm just trying to imagine what a bladed katana scabbard looks like.
Like the last thing you will ever see. *draws katana*
*fling*
I'm just trying to imagine what a bladed katana scabbard looks like.
Like the last thing you will ever see. *draws katana*
*fling*
Ahh! My organs... I need those.
On another side note: I've begun to imagine a returning bladed scabbard.
On another side note: I've begun to imagine a returning bladed scabbard.
That's an awesome idea!
*re-sheathes katana with an organ'y squishing sound before slinking away with a cool character build*
On another side note: I've begun to imagine a returning bladed scabbard.
That's an awesome idea!
*re-sheathes katana with an organ'y squishing sound before slinking away with a cool character build*
In order to allow the returning... you'll need to hit that scabbard up with throwing. Almost reminds a little bit of all those Japanese Anime quick draw air pressure blade techniques.
Cad is a good fit for a scabbard equip trick build if you are going fighter with it.
this is a cute little trick...
so my next question is... Can i draw my weapon as part of a charge. thus charging and at about 10 feet whipping out my weapon as part of the charge and chucking my scabbard at the target then completing the charge and doing my charge attack?
and if I do so... if I hit I get the benefit of the opening volly trick right?
if I can do this does my scabbard attack get charge bonus? (ok I am asking a bit much there)
this is a cute little trick...
so my next question is... Can i draw my weapon as part of a charge. thus charging and at about 10 feet whipping out my weapon as part of the charge and chucking my scabbard at the target then completing the charge and doing my charge attack?
and if I do so... if I hit I get the benefit of the opening volly trick right?
if I can do this does my scabbard attack get charge bonus? (ok I am asking a bit much there)
Not asking much at all. The trick requires a Free Action (Quick Draw) and a Swift action (Hurl Scabbard). You still have a move and a standard left. So you could 5 foot and full attack... or charge and standard attack.
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I've always thought that Opening Volley would be a great feat for a low level magus. Unlimited Acid Splash + weapon attack for the win.
I've always thought that Opening Volley would be a great feat for a low level magus. Unlimited Acid Splash + weapon attack for the win.
It'd work great with a thrown dagger as well as you can retrieve your blades and do it again. The biggest advantage of my trick is the fact you can do it in one round.
That would be a devastating 3-feat combo for a strength-based scout, lugging around a golf-bag full of heavy-blades.
Pretty brilliant there, Lokie...
I might have to try that one...
Pretty brilliant there, Lokie...
I might have to try that one...
Thank you. Now to try and work this into a Monk character.
That would be a devastating 3-feat combo for a strength-based scout, lugging around a golf-bag full of heavy-blades.
Or save yourself some weight and just carry a golf-bag full of bladed heavy scabbards and only a few extra heavy blades.
That would be a devastating 3-feat combo for a strength-based scout, lugging around a golf-bag full of heavy-blades.Or save yourself some weight and just carry a golf-bag full of bladed heavy scabbards and only a few extra heavy blades.
Yes, but for every scabbard you have without a matching blade, you would require a move action to sheathe your currently held blade into the scabbard before you could do your swift-action extra ranged attack with it.
Yes, but for every scabbard you have without a matching blade, you would require a move action to sheathe your currently held blade into the scabbard before you could do your swift-action extra ranged attack with it.That would be a devastating 3-feat combo for a strength-based scout, lugging around a golf-bag full of heavy-blades.Or save yourself some weight and just carry a golf-bag full of bladed heavy scabbards and only a few extra heavy blades.
Weight vs. Mobility... its your call. :)
I've always thought that Opening Volley would be a great feat for a low level magus. Unlimited Acid Splash + weapon attack for the win.It'd work great with a thrown dagger as well as you can retrieve your blades and do it again. The biggest advantage of my trick is the fact you can do it in one round.
The magus can cast acid splash and attack with his sword in one round, too.
The magus can cast acid splash and attack with his sword in one round, too.I've always thought that Opening Volley would be a great feat for a low level magus. Unlimited Acid Splash + weapon attack for the win.It'd work great with a thrown dagger as well as you can retrieve your blades and do it again. The biggest advantage of my trick is the fact you can do it in one round.
Ah... I'm not that well versed in the Magus. Good to know.
The magus how ever cannot do it on a charge without quickening the spell.