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Can you set grease spells on fire? If so, how much damage does it cause? How long does it burn? Is it treated as a flask of oil?
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It is really up to the GM to decide.
The spell does not say that it is flammable, and in 3.5 there was a suppliment that had a higher level version called incindiary grease which specifically had rules for lighting on fire, so I'm inclined to believe that it is intended to be nonflammable (especially since the spell is already very strong and adding that capability would make it even more versitile). It is a conjuration (creation) effect, however; some greases are flammable and some or not and it doesn't specify which grease conjures.
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Can you set grease spells on fire? If so, how much damage does it cause? How long does it burn? Is it treated as a flask of oil?
There has been many threads on this.
Personally I say no because the grease spell does not include rules for it being set on fire. Before people start telling me that doesn't mean that it can't be set on fire I will point out that the web spell does have rules for it being set on fire.
so I'm inclined to believe that it is intended to be nonflammable (especially since the spell is already very strong and adding that capability would make it even more versitile)
This also, as far as 1st level spells goes grease is really good. Stuff that you can do RAW without even the use of a saving throw:
Negate Slippers of Spider Climb.Stop land based creatures from charging.
Help your allies out of a grapple.
And people are wanting to add in a fire hazard to this list?
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OK, even more importantly, does grease taste like BACON?????
Grease is a liquid created by maic thats slippeey. It likely has no other resemblance to actual grease.the fact that you could do this trick in ad&d is irellevant.
Someone in the previous thread pointed out that the material component is butter, so obviously grease summons butter. They also pointed out that butter isn't especially flammable.
This question is asked often. Most of the time there are argumentations including citations from other threads over the course of some pages and then it slowly subsides, just to be asked again some weeks later.
BTT: Nothing in the spell text indicates that it could be flamable.
And before someone brings the old argument, that most stuff in pathfinder doesn't say if it is flamable: Spells usually state special qualities IF they are relevant.
For Example: The strands of a web spell are flammable.
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It's made out of butter. Perfectly mundane, flammable lipids.
Each time I see posts like this I'm temped to just make a video of me spreading butter over a 1'x1' area and trying to set it alight to prove them wrong
And for the record, yes butter is flammable, but only in the right state. If you can get it aerated somehow (through heating or some sort of aerosol) sure, that'll set alight. Butter in a solid form spread over a person or surface - not flammable
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I had a character whose grease spells summoned slippery strawberry jam.
Someone in the previous thread pointed out that the material component is butter, so obviously grease summons butter.
I fail to follow that conclusion. A spell does not create 'more' of the material component. Usually the material component is something that has a thematic connection to the spell effect, nothing more.
This question has been raised several times already. RAW: no. Rest is up to you.
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Someone in the previous thread pointed out that the material component is butter, so obviously grease summons butter.I fail to follow that conclusion. A spell does not create 'more' of the material component. Usually the material component is something that has a thematic connection to the spell effect, nothing more.
Sorry, I forgot to put a smiley face on that post. :D
Sorry, I forgot to put a smiley face on that post. :D
*laughs* You didn't have to. I took it that you were quoting ironically.
However...
It's made out of butter. Perfectly mundane, flammable lipids.
appears to assume these things earnestly...
Web is explicitly flammable because people rarely encounter quantities of it sufficient for its flammability to be noticeable or in the vicinity of open flames.
I agree with this. Many spells summon stuff that should be able to burn (wall of thorns is one example). I think that its up to the dm to rule what kind of grease it is.
Personally, ive said butter. If you cast it on say a red-hot furnace it will burn. If you put a tindertwig to it nothing will happen. Basically, it can burn, but rarely hotter than whatever maked it burn. But thats only my ruling.
I guess the proper term might be combustable over flammable. Meaning that grease might be flammable enough to light with enough exposure but quick flasn in the pan heat isn't going to make it light up like in Dragon Age.
Edit: The preceding is a TalonHawke houseruling and as such has no bearing on RAW or your gaming experience. Unless TalonHawke is your GM.
I just realized, there are a number of spells that call for fecal matter as a spell component.
Other than fireball any specific kinds or do you get to go generic?
This actually reminded me of when my little brother started playing WoW only to look at me sometime around lvl 70 to ask "Man why does it seem like every 10 quest involve some kinda crap"
Someone in the previous thread pointed out that the material component is butter, so obviously grease summons butter. They also pointed out that butter isn't especially flammable.And obviously, a fireball explodes into a huge pile of bat guano. It says it right there in the material components
Flaming bat guano.
Despite it being real grease, and using butter as a sympathetic magic conduit, the beginner's box clarifies it as non-flammable.
So it's more like KY Jelly than anything else, and should probably be renamed Mage's Lubrication.
I just realized, there are a number of spells that call for fecal matter as a spell component.
And people wonder why it's so hard for wizards to get dates.
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This question has been raised several times already. RAW: no. Rest is up to you.
To be clear, that's not quite correct. A more precise answer would be "RAW: undetermined. Rest is up to you."
The RAW doesn't say one way or the other. The lack of specific rules for setting the grease on fire could be taken to imply that it cannot be. But because it is not explicitly denied, this falls into the realm of common sense. That makes this up to the GM's judgement. Personally, I would be inclined to let a player set the grease on fire, unless the tactic were being abused. But another GM might think differently. We would both be correct, until and unless the spell's effect is clarified.
In my game, I ruled that Grease is NOT flammable.
@Umbral Reaver: I like the flavor of making it slippery strawberry jam!
I love when players flavor spells to fit their character. We have a fire elementalist in the party, when he casts Light it takes the form of flames (with no heat) on whatever item he cast the spell on. He once cast it on his Raven familiar and we had a flaming bird flying around! Awesome!!
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Why did you ask weather or not it is flammable?
Why did you not ask weather or not it confers negative levels (Fort negates) on all living creatures touching it?
I'll save you from reading the other 7,289 posts (at the risk of sounding somewhat arrogant and rude... AGAIN):
Grease is not flammable.
now where is that thread about: Is an oily rag flammable....
Does grease reduce the penalties for squeezing?
By RAW, no. In my game, I would call it a creative use of the spell and allow it.
Does grease reduce the penalties for squeezing?By RAW, no. In my game, I would call it a creative use of the spell and allow it.
But setting it aflame isn't creative? :?
I guess it depends on what the grease is made out of.
I'd say that it is more likely ectoplasm than petroleum, sense the wizard made it out of thin air. I guess he could conjure animal fat, but fat isn't really flammable.
I REALLY like the ectoplasm explanation/description. It has both fluff and crunch!
I guess we know which spell Paula Dean selected for Spell Perfection and Spell Specialization....
Can you set grease spells on fire? If so, how much damage does it cause? How long does it burn? Is it treated as a flask of oil?There has been many threads on this.
Personally I say no because the grease spell does not include rules for it being set on fire. Before people start telling me that doesn't mean that it can't be set on fire I will point out that the web spell does have rules for it being set on fire.
so I'm inclined to believe that it is intended to be nonflammable (especially since the spell is already very strong and adding that capability would make it even more versitile)This also, as far as 1st level spells goes grease is really good. Stuff that you can do RAW without even the use of a saving throw:
Negate Slippers of Spider Climb.
Stop land based creatures from charging.
Help your allies out of a grapple.And people are wanting to add in a fire hazard to this list?
This is hold over thoght form 1ED D&D that was talked about and Dragon magazine also favorate trick of Gary Gygax. So that realy should end the debate yes it dose.
There really is no good reason for it not to be flammable.
Without magic, a pint of oil can set a 5 foot square on fire. Grease can cover 10 square feet. I don't see anything remotely overpowering about being able to set 10 square feet on fire using magic.
If you use grease to cover one monster, then set it on fire, then you've done nothing more than you could with a pint of oil and prestidigitation other than waste a spell.
Nevermind that the spell name is "grease" and that grease is in fact flammable. If they wanted it to not be flammable, they should have named it "ice slick."
Someone in the previous thread pointed out that the material component is butter, so obviously grease summons butter.
Seeing companion being grappled by monster, quick thinking mage casts grease.
Companion: "Oh good, now you've made me even tastier. STOP HELPING!"