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AC target for CR 8 is 21: at this point the fighter misses with his first attack only on a 1.
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Outta Curiosity I'm curious how you're getting your attack bonus. Your Strength is 22.
BAB 8 + 6 STR + 2 Greater Weapon Focus + 1 Weapon Training + 1 Weapon comes to 18. Furious Focus lets you ignore Power attack penalties on first attack but not 2nd.
So by my calculations it should be
+18/+10 If you're using power attack
Gloves of dueling add +2. I've posted the whole character sheet, but I'll be happy to break down any of them. For the level 8 fighter I have
+8 BAB
+5 Str
+2 Greater Weapon Focus
+3 Weapon Training (including gloves)
+1 weapon
For a total of +19.
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Nah, I went with an elite array fighter: Str 17, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 8.
He has at level 8 increased his strength and dexterity and bought a belt of giant's strength. At level 13 he's increased his strength again and upgraded his belt of giant's strength +2 into a belt of physical might (str, con) +4.
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Claw +19 1d8+30
Bite +18 3d6+30
3* Claw +19 1d8+20
Rend 1d10+21
I would prefer if you tacked on what you liked for level, but let's give him a +2 amulet of mighty fists for 20,000 gp, and a belt of physical might +4 40,000 gp (to avoid glass cannon syndrome). This means the eidolon is spending just a little under half of the summoner's WBL, which I think is appropriate.
New stats are Str 42, and his attack roll has increased by +4.
Target AC 28, attacks include Power Attack:
The eidolon will very likely pull ahead with this one: huge is a major buff. I would question it being used all the time of course, but that's what reduce person is for.
Bite +23 (3d6+35) average 45.5; 80%
Claws +24/+24/+24 (1d8+24) average 28.5; 85%
.85 x 39.5 x 1.05 = 35.25375
.8 x 45.5 x 1.05 = 38.22
.85 x 39.5 x 1.05 = 25.43625 x 3 = 76.30875
Total DPR = 149.7825
No idea how to calculate rend, but it adds an extra 26.5 DPR and will probably connect. Haste is not as beneficial to the eidolon because it already has so many attacks, but it as good as adds another 40 DPR.
Huge eidolon is a beast. That said, there will be situations where he is nigh unusable. In a setting built for medium creatures he requires reduce person and is still squeezing. God forbid you need to go into a den of small creatures.
EDIT: I already did the calculations for the lower claw damage, but feel free to increase DPR across the board by roughly 9.5.
Are there an restrictions for what item slots a quad eidolon can use? I could have swore there was something for animal companions. I mean its hard to explain how a huge cat thing can wear gloves, rings, or boots for instance.
Well, all eidolons can be regarded as lacking an armor slot, and they probably lack a shield slot as well.
For a quadruped eidolon, the only possible additional restrictions would be on the arms, ring, and wrists slots. A quadruped eidolon would lack these slots unless it takes the Limbs (Arms) evolution, in which case it would have these slots because it now has the requisite body parts.
I think that rend should inflict 2d6 (claw damage dice) +21 points (Str bonus x1-1/2) of damage.
About rend DPR - I think (again) that it probably should be chance of scoring two hits (0.85 x 0.8 x 28 or x 26.5 if I am wrong about damage dice) for an additional 19.04 (or 18.02).
That would be my first guess but you forget to include there that he has to strike 2 chances out of 4 not strike with just straight 2. you're calculating there the probability of him striking 2 outta 2 not 2 outta 4I think that rend should inflict 2d6 (claw damage dice) +21 points (Str bonus x1-1/2) of damage.
About rend DPR - I think (again) that it probably should be chance of scoring two hits (0.85 x 0.85 x 28 or x 26.5 if I am wrong about damage dice) for an additional 20.23 (or 19,14625).
Duh, you are right. I forgot that he has four claw attacks... That skews the numbers up, but I have no idea how to calculate actual number - at least we know minimum DPR increase of rend ;)
EDIT: Corrected the numbers because I used wrong hit chance for second attack. Still not includes need for two hits on four attacks...
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In any case 13 is an amazing level for the eidolon in terms of pure DPR. I don't really have a lot of energy to calculate two level 18 builds, but my opinion remains.
The eidolon is ahead at the beginning because of mass attacks, and gains a major bump when it can go huge (although huge doesn't work in a lot of situations), but I fully believe that the fighter is a better... fighter.
Fighters also overcome DR better either with weapons or that feat that ignores DR to an extent. DR can have a big impact on DPR, and at higher levels it is very common. I don't which one actually comes ahead, but I don't think the difference is all that great.
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A fighter, A Eidolon, and a Monk walk into a bar.
The Fighter flexes and sayes "I an the best brawler in this bar. I get a ton of feats, I get a bonus from Weapon Training, a bonus from my nifty gloves, and I just got this kick but enchant on my armor that makes me punch even better!"
The Eidolon snikers and sayes "Im large and in charge bro! I got 6 claws the size of your head, I can fly, I got SR, a Strength you dream of, and I can charge and attack with all my claws in the blink of an eye. I laugh at your dumb magic items. I got that half-elf over there following me around buffing me every fight."
The Fighter and the Eidolon look at each other for a second and turn to the monk and say together "Hey your fast right?... got get the beer and make it snappy!"
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Point of the Story: Who cares which is better at DPR... you can both laugh at the monk and make him go buy you beer.
A fighter, A Eidolon, and a Monk walk into a bar.
The Fighter flexes and sayes "I an the best brawler in this bar. I get a ton of feats, I get a bonus from Weapon Training, a bonus from my nifty gloves, and I just got this kick but enchant on my armor that makes me punch even better!"
The Eidolon snikers and sayes "Im large and in charge bro! I got 6 claws the size of your head, I can fly, I got SR, a Strength you dream of, and I can charge and attack with all my claws in the blink of an eye. I laugh at your dumb magic items. I got that half-elf over there following me around buffing me every fight."
The Fighter and the Eidolon look at each other for a second and turn to the monk and say together "Hey your fast right?... got get the beer and make it snappy!"
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Point of the Story: Who cares which is better at DPR... you can both laugh at the monk and make him go buy you beer.
That was great!!!!!
That was great!!!!!
lol, Thanks. Though the dicussion seems to have dried up after my little joke.