Can you sleep with a Shield equiped?


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If so which type of shield:

1) Buckler
2) Light Shield
3) Heavy Shield
4) Tower Shield

Grand Lodge

Nothing RAW indicates that there is any penalty for sleeping with any shield equipped.


A heavy shield must be held in your hand as well as strapped to your wrist to be considered equipped/wielded... If you were to also wear a locking gauntlet on that shield hand I might allow it, but your hand would probably be cramped as hell the next day, penalties and what not (house rules there).

A tower shield is a bigger heavier shield than a heavy shield, so same would apply, except you would probably have to sleep under the shield, lest you try to sleep with your arm pinned at your side... Moving at this point in any meaningful manner inside of a tent/under blankets/etc would be nearly impossible.


Yes.


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I will let you know in the morning.


Is grabbing a shield not a move action that can be done at the same time as a real move action? If so why would you?

If this were the HR section I'd suggest a trait to allow it.

Grand Lodge

Quickdraw shields are the answer.

Shadow Lodge

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Questions like this make me fear for the future.


I'd allow it if you have the Endurance feat.


No

Grand Lodge

BigNorseWolf wrote:
No

Do you have a RAW citation?


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blackbloodtroll wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
No
Do you have a RAW citation?

It kind of ruins it if i have to spell out the joke.

Shadow Lodge

Rule -1: Try not to be a jerkass.

Grand Lodge

BigNorseWolf wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
No
Do you have a RAW citation?
It kind of ruins it if i have to spell out the joke.

There is no sure fire way to know what you were connecting your two posts. I understand the joke, but there was no way to be sure it was intended.

If you have ever been homeless, you would know that sleeping with something heavy strapped to your arm is doable.


Kthulhu wrote:
Rule -1: Try not to be a jerkass.

You don't think that's a little harsh?

Grand Lodge

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Rule -1: Try not to be a jerkass.
You don't think that's a little harsh?

It's hard to catch the subtleties within text. Maybe he thought you were harsh.


I don't think this is covered by the RAW, and I am not certain it should be.

Have you ever participated in a scout or military "maneuver" lasting many days? Where you're carrying heavy equipment through rough terrain? Where you're constantly pushed and not allowed proper sleep?

You get progressively more tired (in game terms, I'd say gaining first the fatigued then the exhausted condition), and eventually you get so tired you could sleep anywhere. You just keel over and go to sleep, taking your boots off is an ordeal so you don't, you might even leave your backpack on. You're that tired. If you had a shield strapped to your wrist, you'd leave it on.

And you are somewhat refreshed when you wake up, but you are not rested by any means. In game terms, I would say that the exhausted condition was removed, but that you're still fatigued, and that to remove the fatigued condition you must put down your heavy equipment and make a proper bed.

The Endurance feat will reduce but not eliminate the need to strip.

At least that's how I'd run it on low levels.

Beyond low levels, being fatigued isn't that big a deal: you can remove it with lesser restoration. With some potions, or a wand, or some kind of times/day item (maybe get your armor enchanted with a lesser restoration 1/day effect) you basically eliminate the need for sleep.

Unless you need to regain spells, of course!

But to my mind, professional martial characters on a mission try to stay ready to fight 24/7. And in PF/DnD, beyond low levels, fatigue is not really an issue because of restorative magic, and thus they will sleep very little, if at all.

Note that there is ample real-world precedent for this: commmando soldiers have been/are regularly issued with drugs such as Pervitin or other amphetamines, even pilots. (They'd probably prefer haste and lesser restoration to speed, by RL kind of sucks that way).

So to sum up, NO you can't remove (or avoid eventually getting) the fatigued condition while wearing a heavy shield, nor could you regain spells. But if you're a martial character beyond low levels you really don't care. At least you should make sure you don't need to care.

Short rant:
I'd get seriously annoyed at a GM that let players get away with claiming their characters sleep just fine in heavy armor or wearing a shield, thank you: The investment in restorative magic required is really very very minor, and to try to weasel out of it is lazy and/or exploitative.

Grand Lodge

I know it had no ill effect in 3.5 at all. There was even a restful enchantment for armor, but none for shields.


By RAW - it's not forbidden...

Would I allow it as a GM?
Well if it's one night with a high likelyhood of ambush - yes.
But every night - just in case - no - what kind of munckin would wanna do that?

Grand Lodge

This does not sound "munchkin". You could sleep with a cestus on.

Grand Lodge

harmor said wrote:
CAN YOU SLEEP WITH A SHIELD EQUIPED?

I can, but my wife doesn't like it when I do though.

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Apoca6 wrote:
harmor said wrote:
CAN YOU SLEEP WITH A SHIELD EQUIPED?
I can, but my wife doesn't like it when I do though.

This reminds mind me of the picnic table humper.


Feats not withstanding I would say ...

Buckler ... yes
light shield .... count as light armor
Heavy shield ... count as med armor
tower ... count as heavy armor

If you cansleeo with the armor, yes other suffer appropriate penalties

Grand Lodge

A shield is a shield, not armor.

Scarab Sages

I would agree with the above posts that say one should be fatigued and they should count as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of sleeping. While they are a shield and not armor, a shield provides an armor bonus, and I would say no if I had to make a judgement call on it.
But, the real issue for me is that I think the implied question may be whether one can get an armor bonus from a shield while sleeping. If this is the case, then I would definitely say no. One cannot effectively wield a shield while sleeping. A shield has to move and be dynamic for one to benefit from it. While it could physically be strapped to one's arm, it's not like armor that merely has to be "equipped" for it to be effective.

Granted, it's not specifically in the Rules As Written, but then neither is having to go to the bathroom. If I had a PC that asked if that was RAW, I would roll my eyes.

Could the Original Poster clarify "why" they're asking whether this can be done?

Grand Lodge

Shields provide a shield bonus, not a armor bonus.

Scarab Sages

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Shields provide a shield bonus, not a armor bonus.

Crap. I'm lame. See, that's what happens when one types fast and hasn't slept. That was supposed to say "armor class bonus". One little slip, and the entire meaning and intent of that statement completely changed.

You're absolutely correct.
My mistaken typing asserted something that hasn't been true since D&D 3.0!!


This is a common sense question. Could you sleep with a shield strapped to your arm? Yes, unless it was a tower shield, which would prevent you from effectively turning (and if that's a real problem, get a pavisse, where your strap wheels to the bottom of your tower shield and it becomes a nice cover for ranged fire. All those Genoese crossbowmen can't be wrong) Are you going to get the shield AC bonus? If you're sleeping on your back with your shield above you, and the enemy is attacking you from the front or the side, sure. If they decide to attack you from below (burrowing monsters rock, especially if they can bite entire areas), then no.

I would rule it on how what position the player describes they're sleeping with their shield. On your side would be a pain, especially if you toss and turn a bunch. If you're sleeping with it above you, or below you, that shouldn't be a real problem.


I'd say you can sleep with it equipped but not 'readied'.

You don't gain the shield bonus to your armor class as that requires some degree of active participation, but when you wake up, you can spend a move action to ready the shield without having to spend time to find it.

Also, I'd allow someone to prepare a tower-shield in a way that they sleep under it to provide cover bonus from one direction... But I really don't have RAW back up for these rulings other than the word "ready" in the shield action and the fact that someone can take an action to take cover behind a tower shield, which you could presumably do before bed.


Having LARPed with a shield for years, I would say it is useless to sleep with it. Mine was super, super light compared to a real one and crafted way better than any non-magical game world shield were could have been. (Luan and 5,000 lb. straps with open cell foam padding). After 8 hours of "adventuring" trying to hold on to that thing while falling asleep was rather hilarious!

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