I have a few questions about when fused with eidolon.
First - once the shape the eidolon is selected is exactly the same each time. I have a player using it as a disguise.
Second - being fused with eidolon doesnt this affect skills like diplomacy? the player is interacting with everyone in the fused form. (would think that this would be distracting and annoying)
Also, how will normal people deal with them....I mean it does look very "monster like"
Third - Can items including armour be sundered and or slight of handed away when in eidolon form?
Forth - does enforcer, blade of mercy and the intimidate ability all stack? I have monsters more afraid of betting hit for non-lethal and running into attacks of oppourtunity - also they took a level of rogue and are sayign they get sneak attack damage for all attacks because of the blade of mercy supersedes the requirement the a weapon can only be used for non-lethal sneak attack damage if it doesnt deal with lethal damage.
Lastly - Armour - I know in the errata that the Synthesist armour doesnt count when fused, but what about the armour check penalty? Also I keep getting asked why the AC doesn't count since armour counts for flatfooted. I'm having difficulty explaining the rule. Is there something that explains the mechanics behind why it doesnt count?
I'm rather new to the Synthesist and I'm worried this is going to tear apart our gaming group. the players are all arguing about it...it's not resolving itself on its own....
HELP!
You can't use it as a disguise as it is translucent, your real form being visible. Kind of a damper on some themes, but is there for exactly this reason.
I see nothing about blade of mercy superseding any requirements. That's straight up cheeze BS.
I don't imagine the Armor check applies, but I may be wrong. The eidolon is moving at your behest. As for it not counting, it says it doesn't. If your players don't like that, they need to try a different class. It doesn't apply because you're inside the eidolon, the eidolon is getting stabbed, not you.
I'm told there is a ability or spell that makes it opaque. The player is also saying that translucent is not transparent and that in itself will make identification of him extremely difficult.
I've been editing my original post...
Anyway, I don't know of that ability, and it was mentioned as NOT existing in the Synthesist thread. Translucent would obscure his image as much as the GM says it does, no more, no less. I certainly wouldn't say it's extremely difficult. Which is also what I would say about its effects on diplomacy, no more or less a detriment or bonus than the GM says.
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IF you're the DM, lay down the law for that PC and tell him to roll a new character if he does not like your rulings on how the ability works in your game. My two cents.
And I encourage you to let them, as long as they follow the PFS guidelines and how the GM adjudicates those rules and anything in the books.
To answer your first post though:
1) The eidolon's base form cannot be changed once chosen, there are exceptions to this rule, but not for the synthesist archetype. The base form cannot be changed unless stated by class ability/feats/ect. The cosmetics of the form are changed with mutations, but you summon the same eidolon every time.
2) That is up to you as the DM.
3) Only if the player states which equipment is outside of the fused form at the time of summoning, but you could go with what is written.
4) If they all provide a different source of penalty/bonus, such as luck, morale, profane/sacred , circumstance, ect. then yes.
5) Armor check penalty would still apply if the armor is worn.
You can clearly see the summoner under the eidolon. That's the intent and the rules. Don't allow your players to cheese past the intent.
Pathfinder is not about cheese, even if some players are.
Admittedly, you can still use a disguise check to disguise the eidolon through mundane means. Mud, makeup, paint, clothes, anything but actual armor would work. Glass is translucent, but I can't see through the paint that I put on top of it.
You can clearly see the summoner under the eidolon. That's the intent and the rules. Don't allow your players to cheese past the intent.
The moral of the story is that when you play a synthesist especially, you are at the whim of how much the DM wants to punish you for the level of cheese which they perceive. Buy a hat of disguise and pump the skill if you have a particularly vindictive DM.
Nowhere does it say that the summoner can be clearly seen, it just says translucent. Colorless and close to transparent is translucent. Frosted glass is also translucent, and cannot be seen though clearly and can have deep color.
I thought roleplaying was about roleplaying, not about stacking endless traits, feats and other stuff to create a super character that has no disavantages and only advantages....
Stormwind Ho. Sometimes the player options from non CRB core sources are necessary to enable some character concepts that people might want to play. No powergaming, no cheese, just character concepts which cannot be made with only the CRB.
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You can clearly see the summoner under the eidolon. That's the intent and the rules. Don't allow your players to cheese past the intent.
That is not RAW, that is your interpretation.
Translucent allows for the diffusion of light passing through the eidolon. Degree is not defined by RAW.
Common real world examples of translucence would include shining a flashlight through milk, jade, or a human hand.
I thought roleplaying was about roleplaying, not about stacking endless traits, feats and other stuff to create a super character that has no disavantages and only advantages....Stormwind Ho. Sometimes the player options from non CRB core sources are necessary to enable some character concepts that people might want to play. No powergaming, no cheese, just character concepts which cannot be made with only the CRB.
Sometimes the players use the options to make crazy combinations of traits and feats and so on which cannot be made with only the CRB. His post did nothing to invoke stormwind fallacy.
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but for PFS is have to let them play whatever is in the books.IF you're the DM, lay down the law for that PC and tell him to roll a new character if he does not like your rulings on how the ability works in your game. My two cents.
confused, is this for PFS or homegame or both? Agree that there are alot of rules to absorb and GM for. With PFS you have less options in how you would like something to work, cause it is all bout RAW. home games means you can tell layers that you dont want to use that yet, cause you are still learning the rules. Im starting a home game tomorrow and am having to deal with the audit hammer, so know it's frustrating.
1- shape is chosen and must be kept for that level. can change it at new levels. disguise wont work unless he uses other spells make up. no free skill.2 no inherent penalties given, may have some circumstances though that will alter though.
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Sometimes the players use the options to make crazy combinations of traits and feats and so on which cannot be made with only the CRB. His post did nothing to invoke stormwind fallacy.I thought roleplaying was about roleplaying, not about stacking endless traits, feats and other stuff to create a super character that has no disavantages and only advantages....Stormwind Ho. Sometimes the player options from non CRB core sources are necessary to enable some character concepts that people might want to play. No powergaming, no cheese, just character concepts which cannot be made with only the CRB.
I thought roleplaying was about roleplaying, not about... Is a pretty big red flag for me though.
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A synthesist in fused form should have a significant effect on social encounters. You have a dude in a shimering image of a big stompy monster.
In a game session on saturday, my synthesist had a big impact on dealing with a group of satyrs we encounters in the fey lands. Sasha (my eidolon) was good for intimidation, not so much for diplomacy. I am sure most people would at the least react with concern, if not outright fear, as usually eidolons are bristling with claws, teeth, tentacles, stingers etc.
You can clearly see the summoner under the eidolon. That's the intent and the rules. Don't allow your players to cheese past the intent.That is not RAW, that is your interpretation.
Translucent allows for the diffusion of light passing through the eidolon. Degree is not defined by RAW.
Common real world examples of translucence would include shining a flashlight through milk, jade, or a human hand.
Artanthos and I respectfully disagree on this.. My Take is the eidolon is as translucent as you want it to be until you try to gain a mechanical benefit from the translucency.
Once you do this excerp from the eidolon description applies
"...The eidolon also bears a glowing rune that is identical to a rune that appears on the summoner's forehead as long as the eidolon is summoned. While this rune can be hidden through mundane means, it cannot be concealed through magic that changes appearance, such as alter self or polymorph (although invisibility does conceal it as long as the spell lasts)."
Which I read meaning you may not conceal the glowing rune on your own head (and thus your head) with any means short of the spells specifically cited. So, because of a specified articulated limitation in the class description, the summon can't manifest an eidolon in a way that conceals his presence inside it, without using disguise skill.
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Artanthos and I respectfully disagree on this.. My Take is the eidolon is as translucent as you want it to be until you try to gain a mechanical benefit from the translucency.
Once you do this excerp from the eidolon description applies
"...The eidolon also bears a glowing rune that is identical to a rune that appears on the summoner's forehead as long as the eidolon is summoned. While this rune can be hidden through mundane means, it cannot be concealed through magic that changes appearance, such as alter self or polymorph (although invisibility does conceal it as long as the spell lasts)."Which I read meaning you may not conceal the glowing rune on your own head (and thus your head) with any means short of the spells specifically cited. So, because of a specified articulated limitation in the class description, the summon can't manifest an eidolon in a way that conceals his presence inside it, without using disguise skill.
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So if I use Arcane Mark to draw a glowing symbol on the Barbarian's forehead everybody will think he's an eidolon?
Translucent is description of how light interacts with the surface of a material. Does light penetrate the surface? This covers a very broad range of materials and is possessed by many materials that would never be described as clear or transparent (though items with those descriptions form a sub-set of translucent).
Translucent does not equal ghostlike. It does not mean anything within or or the other side of can be seen or identified (that would be transparent). It does allow for ghostlike, or transparent, if that is how the eidolon is defined by the summoner.
p.s. I've never claimed the mark was not visible. If I want to conceal it, the means is clearly covered by the rules, cover it up with a hat, turban, or headband. Or wear a hooded cloak. I do fight against people who try to tell me what my character looks like based off their limited comprehension of a single word that should have never been used.