Ranger combat style question


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Sczarni

If a character takes the 2-handed weapon combat style does he have to use a 2-handed weapon? Would a 1-handed weapon wielded in 2 hands qualify?


They are just themed free feats. There is no other restriction on what weapons you can use other than the feats them selves.

So yes, you can.


It depends on the feats you take.
Shield of swings definitely only works with twohanded weapons, pushing assault could be interpreted both ways.

Cleave and power attack would work with any kind of melee weapon, even ones that can't be used with two hands.

Sczarni

So it should be PFS legal for a Ranger with designs on taking the 'Dervish Dance' feat to dump their strength (say to 10), pump their dexterity and by virtue of selecting the 2-handed fighting style select Power Attack as their feat because they don't have to meet the prerequisites...

I haven't done the math to see if this is a viable strategy (it would obviously net and extra 2 points of damage through to level 4). I just want to know if it's legal for PFS...


it would be legal yes, however your damage at level 1 and 2 will be a serious concern, at 3+ you should be decent on damage but getting there would be the tough part.

I wouldnt recommend more than 2 ranger levels if you are doing it though (gives you FA and the style feat then you can move into fighter for more damage and feats)


If you want to use dervish dance would it not be better to take another class and use piranha strikes instead of power attack?
As I don't play PFS I can't say if it's legal.


Umbranus wrote:

If you want to use dervish dance would it not be better to take another class and use piranha strikes instead of power attack?

As I don't play PFS I can't say if it's legal.

Piranha strike can't be used with dervish dance yet*, simply because the scimitar isn't a light weapon and thus you can't use piranha strike.

*iirc there are a couple of feats in advanced race guide (which we saw in a blog post about the book) that could allow you to use dervish dance with another weapon.

Grand Lodge

Oh yeah. That b~+@+in' human feat that treats all weapons in one weapon group as counting each other for feats.

Sczarni

It was the exclusion of Scimitar from the weapons permitted with Piranha Strike that led me to consider this roundabout way of getting the extra base damage from Power Attack.

It would be nice if Dervish Dance also worked with the Kukri, but alas it does not.


Daryl MacLeod wrote:

So it should be PFS legal for a Ranger with designs on taking the 'Dervish Dance' feat to dump their strength (say to 10), pump their dexterity and by virtue of selecting the 2-handed fighting style select Power Attack as their feat because they don't have to meet the prerequisites...

It's viable but imho better as a 2 level dip into ranger/trapper.

If going pure ranger.. you take power attack at 2nd level.. what do you take at 6th?

Meanwhile I stat'd out a halfling ranger2/pal4/monk6 once for fun using dervish dance and it worked fine there though it was tight on skills.

-James

Sczarni

james maissen wrote:
If going pure ranger.. you take power attack at 2nd level.. what do you take at 6th?

Just one of the reasons I abandoned the idea. I looked at it as a 2 level dip and then swapping into Rogue, but in the end I wasn't satisfied with any of the ideas I came up with.

In the end I went with a more traditional stat array (for a Ranger) of STR>DEX/CON>WIS>INT>CHA.


Daryl MacLeod wrote:
james maissen wrote:
If going pure ranger.. you take power attack at 2nd level.. what do you take at 6th?

Just one of the reasons I abandoned the idea. I looked at it as a 2 level dip and then swapping into Rogue, but in the end I wasn't satisfied with any of the ideas I came up with.

In the end I went with a more traditional stat array (for a Ranger) of STR>DEX/CON>WIS>INT>CHA.

Well rather than focus on a given class (i.e. Ranger) I've found that its better to enumerate what you want the character to do.

Paizo may encourage single classed characters and have many archetypes, but still the 3e/3.5e lessons of separating the mechanical names from the roleplaying desires hold true.

-James

Sczarni

Sort of what I did. Came up with an idea for a character and then figured out how to best accomplish it - turns out it's not Rogue, but rather the Urban Ranger...

Grand Lodge

If you use this line of feats:

Martial Versatility:
Martial Mastery (Combat)
You broaden your study of weapons to encompass multiple similar weapons.
Prerequisites: Martial Versatility, fighter level 16th, human.
Benefit: Each combat feat you have that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus) can be used with all weapons in the same weapon group (Ultimate Combat 45).

Martial Versatility (Combat)
You further broaden your study of weapons to encompass multiple similar weapons.
Prerequisites: Fighter level 4th, human.
Benefit: Choose one combat feat you know that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus). You can use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group.
Special: You may take this feat more than once. Each time it applies to a different feat.


You will be able to use Dervish Dance with the
Aldori dueling sword, bastard sword, chakram, double chicken saber, double walking stick katana, elven curve blade, falcata, falchion, flambard, greatsword, great terbutje , katana, khopesh, klar, longsword, nine-ring broadsword, nodachi, scimitar, scythe, seven-branched sword, shotel, temple sword, terbutje, and two-bladed sword.


How will this feat work if I have dervish dance? "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."

If my PC uses a Katana or greatsword as a two handed weapon, how can this work? Does this feat over-ride the need to not have a weapon or shield in the other hand?


Night_Shade wrote:

How will this feat work if I have dervish dance? "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."

If my PC uses a Katana or greatsword as a two handed weapon, how can this work? Does this feat over-ride the need to not have a weapon or shield in the other hand?

which feat? power attack?shield of swings? martial verstility? martial mastery? ???


How will Dervish Dance work if you have Dervish Dance?
If so, odd wording.

It works only if you do not have a weapon or shield in the other hand.
One point being made wase that you can use other weapons with dervish dance besides a scimitar using the human feat option listed above. The other point being made is that you could gain access to power attack through the ranger two weapon fighting path and use it on a weapon being wielded one handed.

I'm not sure what you are asking about.


Sorry for not clarifying. Using Martial versatility, if I have dervish dance feat, then with martial versatility I can use another weapon within the group, if the weapon is two handed, would I or would I not be able to use said (two handed) weapon?

If I have a katana (without the exotic weapon proficiency to use it one-handed) I would not be able to make use of this to replace scimitar with katana?

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