well yeah thats wat i thought med and heavy barding r equivalent to med and heavy armor for mounts right? so if med or heavy barding pervents a mount to fly wouldnt med or heavy armor prevent a person to fly?
Because barding is a special type of armor for a mount. Regular armor doesn't prevent flying.
If medium or heavy armor prevented flying, it would say so in either the Fly skill, or the armor section. IT doesn't. Only medium and heavy barding prevents flying. Medium and heavy armor doesn't.
oh ok so if a want to make an armored dragon wat will the dragon use armor or barding? cuz now im confused about when or who use barding and when or who use armor?
If it is a mount (or anything else with an intelligence of 1 or 2, really), you use barding. For everything else, its armor. Dragons are not mounts.
That depends on whether you consider the dragon a mount.
Edit: I don't.
oh ok so if a want to make an armored dragon wat will the dragon use armor or barding? cuz now im confused about when or who use barding and when or who use armor?
GM judgement I suppose, though I'd go with barding in the case of dragons.
mithral breastplate is only slightly cheesy for dragons, provided it has help putting it on.
Just ignore barding all together. The normal armor rules already allow armor for non-humanoids (and it even mentions horses). Regular armor doesn't prevent flying, and you can still carry something other then a rider on a mount that is wearing it. The cost and weight is the same for horse barding as it is for large, non-humanoid armor.
Other then flying creatures being unable to fly in medium or heavy barding, and creatures wearing barding can't carry anything else except a rider, the mechanics are exactly the same between normal armor and barding.
Edit: Oh, and barding takes 5x as long to put on or remove then armor.
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Just ignore barding all together. The normal armor rules already allow armor for non-humanoids (and it even mentions horses). Regular armor doesn't prevent flying, and you can still ride a mount that is wearing it. The cost and weight is the same for horse barding as it is for large, non-humanoid armor.
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I can't believe this thought never occured to me. I've always just dealt with not having a flying horse.
The rules for barding have been exactly the same for 12 years (From 3.0->3.5->Pathfinder). I don't think they'll get a revision any time soon.
Maybe they'll get deleted instead....
Regular armor is for humanoid shaped creatures. Barding is for other creatures. In short a demon that is human shaped can use armor. A demon shaped like an blob should be using barding.
Barding
Barding is a type of armor that covers the head, neck, chest, body, and possibly legs of a horse or other mount. Barding made of medium or heavy armor provides better protection than light barding, but at the expense of speed. Barding can be made of any of the armor types found on Table: Armor and Shields.
Armor for a horse (a Large non-humanoid creature) costs four times as much as human armor (a Medium humanoid creature) and also weighs twice as much (see Table: Armor for Unusual Creatures)
I guess the intent is that if you plan to ride a creature as a mount the armor would be barding which would allow for a rider. If the creature is not a mount it can just get non-barding armor.
Ignore barding altogether. There is nothing special about barding that makes it any easier to ride a mount, or vice-versa. Simply use armor and let them go at it. Remember to apply penalties to speed for being in armor as appropriate, and the armor check penalty applies to Fly checks.
humhum i was applying that but, then the dragon flies 250ft wat will be the speed reduction? 1/3?
Medium armor reduces speed to 2/3rds normal. Multiple the normal speed by 0.66, and round (up or down) to the nearest multiple of 5.
Heavy armor is the same, except running speed is 3x instead of 4x normal.
A dragon with a fly speed of 250 will have a fly speed of 165 when in medium or heavy armor (or, carrying a medium or heavy load).
I suppose:
Armor that has to accommodate a rider, saddle, etc. is barding. Otherwise it's just armor.
The dragon's armor probably doesn't have to accommodate a rider--it's for personal use.
Nevertheless, the distinction is lame and I would banish it.