If for example, you have a creature with 6 arms, and 6 double barrel pistols, with rapid shot, and say a bab of 7 or higher, how many total rounds can you fire off with a full round attack?
Three? Or four if you use Two-Weapon Fighting. (Not sure if that works since the firearms lack the 'shoot with each hand as if TWF' text)
Capacity: "A firearm's capacity is the number of shots it can hold at one time. When making a full-attack action, you may fire a firearm as many times in a round as you have attacks, up to this limit, unless you can reload the weapon as a swift or free action while making a full-attack action. In the case of early firearms, capacity often indicates the number of barrels a firearm has. In the case of advanced firearms, it typically indicates the number of chambers the weapon has."
I think this covers the more crude wording of the Double-Barreled Pistol description.
Firing both barrels "at once with the same action" would be two separate attacks as part of the full attack action.
If for example, you have a creature with 6 arms, and 6 double barrel pistols, with rapid shot, and say a bab of 7 or higher, how many total rounds can you fire off with a full round attack?Three? Or four if you use Two-Weapon Fighting. (Not sure if that works since the firearms lack the 'shoot with each hand as if TWF' text)
Capacity: "A firearm's capacity is the number of shots it can hold at one time. When making a full-attack action, you may fire a firearm as many times in a round as you have attacks, up to this limit, unless you can reload the weapon as a swift or free action while making a full-attack action. In the case of early firearms, capacity often indicates the number of barrels a firearm has. In the case of advanced firearms, it typically indicates the number of chambers the weapon has."
I think this covers the more crude wording of the Double-Barreled Pistol description.
Firing both barrels "at once with the same action" would be two separate attacks as part of the full attack action.
By that reasoning, there would be no reason to ever fire both barrels at once. You gain no extra attacks, and both shots are at -4.
More arms doesn't always = more attacks.
Following the rules of characters using manufactured weapons, if they have a BAB of +7, they get 2 attacks plus an additional attack if they choose to TWF.
So at maximum they would be able to discharge 3 of the equipped guns in one round, taking heavy penalties.
This same sort of ruling is why rogues can no longer be polymorphed into octopi and get 8 sneak attacks per round.
At least I hope thats right.
More arms doesn't always = more attacks.
Following the rules of characters using manufactured weapons, if they have a BAB of +7, they get 2 attacks plus an additional attack if they choose to TWF.
So at maximum they would be able to discharge 3 of the equipped guns in one round, taking heavy penalties.
How does a marilith get an extra attack for each offhand, then? Multiweapon mastery doesn't grant that ability.
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This same sort of ruling is why rogues can no longer be polymorphed into octopi and get 8 sneak attacks per round.
At least I hope thats right.
I think you're gonna be disappointed on that.
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In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks.
You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus. Instead, you receive additional attack rolls for multiple limb and body parts capable of making the attack (as noted by the race or ability that grants the attacks).
Still have to be flanking or otherwise not reveal yourself on the first attack, though.
By that reasoning, there would be no reason to ever fire both barrels at once. You gain no extra attacks, and both shots are at -4.
Pistol, Double-Barreled: "This pistol has two parallel barrels; each barrel can be fired independently as a separate action, or both can be shot at once with the same action."
So, what action are you taking?
A) Full-round action to full attack: You can fire one barrel, or you can fire both barrels at the same target at -4 if you can take more than one attack (via high BAB, Haste, or other non-TWF means).
B) Standard action: You can fire one barrel.
P,DB: "If both barrels are shot at once, they must both target the same creature or object, and the pistol becomes wildly inaccurate, imparting a –4 penalty on each shot."
When firing both barrels, each shot is a separate attack. In order to take both of those attacks, you must be able to take more than one attack.
So a guy with BAB +6/+1 with a single DBP can attack action for one shot at +6, or he can take a full attack and fire both barrels at the same target, one at +2, the other at -3.
If that guy has two DBPs, he can take a single shot from each of them, at +6 and +1.
If that guy has two DBPs and he's using TWF, he can fire one pistol with both barrels (2 attacks, both at -4 and TWF penalties) and one pistol with one barrel (no penalty other than TWF).
If the guy has six arms, and six DBPs, he could still only get three attacks, but he could use a different pistol for all three, not taking any -4 penalty for the 2nd barrel.
More arms doesn't always = more attacks.How does a marilith get an extra attack for each offhand, then? Multiweapon mastery doesn't grant that ability.
That is the question posed by this FAQ request.
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The answer to which might change my answers in the posts above! If each arm grants another off-hand weapon, then the guy with six arms and six DBPs can make six attacks, one shot from each barrel of each pistol, with only normal TWF(or MWF) penalties.
I'd like to thank the OP for giving me the idea to put the party against a marilith gunslinger. At least, if I want the party to die a horrible death.
Once again, I am reminded of Sixshooter from the Puppetmaster movies.
More arms doesn't always = more attacks.How does a marilith get an extra attack for each offhand, then? Multiweapon mastery doesn't grant that ability.That is the question posed by this FAQ request.
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The answer to which might change my answers in the posts above! If each arm grants another off-hand weapon, then the guy with six arms and six DBPs can make six attacks, one shot from each barrel of each pistol, with only normal TWF(or MWF) penalties.
I agree grick. I took a look at the case mentioned and initially I thought like you did, but the bestiary is clear that the creature with many arms gets many offhands and this applies only to weapons in hand slots.
I'm not sure I like this ruling (especially for eidolons) but at the very least there should be some clarification on why you can generate so many offhanded attacks with the arm limbs wieling extra weapons and not with other things like multiple blade boots.
Apologies for the necro.
Now normally if I'm just using iterative attacks I can attack with a weapon in each hand at no penalty as long as I don't get an extra attack, correct?
Therefore, with +10/+5 attacks and I have two pistols and I shoot one at +10 and one at +5. Out of ammo go home.
Now with double barreled pistols I can fire both barrels with the same attack action with a -4 on those two shots.
So does that mean:
+6/+6 right hand and +1/+1 left hand
Or
+6/+6 right hand and +5 left hand as I'm only firing one shot with the left so -4.
Again just using iterative attacks.
Ah thanks much appreciated!
Yep, they changed it so that it's much less crazy now.