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This is the Internet after all....there's got to be more rules arguements to solve.


Seconded.


Third.

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Any FAQ blogs, being EXTREMELY time-intensive to write, will have to be after the big Gen Con rush is over, which means another few months. Until then, we're all working weekends trying to keep ya'll's game books on schedule...

They're still on the radar, though!


You guys are beyond great!

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I removed a post. Constructive criticism is helpful, but there is no need to be a jerk about it.

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I want to go out and say that I support the new proactive stance of moderation around here, even if it means more of my posts getting deleted!


Please have plenty of books for me to buy at GenCon again this year!


James Sutter wrote:

Any FAQ blogs, being EXTREMELY time-intensive to write, will have to be after the big Gen Con rush is over, which means another few months. Until then, we're all working weekends trying to keep ya'll's game books on schedule...

They're still on the radar, though!

I totally support putting out more books. I will put my FAQ addiction (temporarily) on hold!

Viva Paizo!


I agree with the OP, I need more FAQ-cowbell.

James Sutter wrote:

Any FAQ blogs, being EXTREMELY time-intensive to write, will have to be after the big Gen Con rush is over, which means another few months. Until then, we're all working weekends trying to keep ya'll's game books on schedule...

They're still on the radar, though!

Psh. Work that SKR! Give him a Ring of Sustenance and let him go! ;D

@gorbacz:
Agreed that the moderation (ie the Ross Meister) has made it's (his) presence felt recently. I like it.


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Personally, I'd prefer a month slippage (or a month of "downtime" built into the schedule) and a dedicated "Lets clear up as many questions as possible" effort made for that time instead.

That being said, I know that clearing up questions doesn't pay the bills and new books do, and that there's too many moving parts involved in getting a book printed to change the schedule now.

Just something to consider for the 2013 schedule...

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Well, not only are Con preparations slowing it down, but I'm sure the ever more vindictive attacks on SKR are even more of a culprit.

In fact, he said as much in a post a while back, that he was tired of being personally singled out and attacked as if he personally wrote all the FAQ responses, which he doesn't, even though he (was) the only one who posted them. Don't feel like looking for the post right now; doesn't really matter all that much.

So I'm thinking that until some sort of vast cultural upheaval changes the way people act on the Intarwebs, we won't be seeing anywhere near the number of FAQ responses we were for a while.

(yeah, I know this is a necro, but I'm surprised nobody commented on one of the primary reasons the FAQs slowed down)

Shadow Lodge

I think it's better that groups decide for themselves how they want to employ the rules.


TOZ wrote:
I think it's better that groups decide for themselves how they want to employ the rules.

The problem is Pathfinder Society. PFS needs clear cut rules so there are no variances in the implementation of the rules.

Shadow Lodge

Well, as you might have noticed, I don't care about PFS. And I've noticed from what little discussion of it I've read that there are still variances, in that separate DMs apply things differently.


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The reason for the lack of FAQ's is posters being rude to the Paizo staff when they don't agree with rulings. I know all of us should not suffer because others can't be civil, but until those few learn to behave like adults this is part of what we have to deal with.

A few bad apples.......

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I think Paizo should kick their moderation policy up a little.

Even if that means more of my posts deleted.


I don't recall the threads in question, but I like their moderation policy just the way it is. It's really very strict by most boards' standards.


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Well, not only are Con preparations slowing it down, but I'm sure the ever more vindictive attacks on SKR are even more of a culprit.

In fact, he said as much in a post a while back, that he was tired of being personally singled out and attacked as if he personally wrote all the FAQ responses, which he doesn't, even though he (was) the only one who posted them. Don't feel like looking for the post right now; doesn't really matter all that much.

So I'm thinking that until some sort of vast cultural upheaval changes the way people act on the Intarwebs, we won't be seeing anywhere near the number of FAQ responses we were for a while.

(yeah, I know this is a necro, but I'm surprised nobody commented on one of the primary reasons the FAQs slowed down)

I agree. Also, whenever I read posts like "Sean has to realise..." or "What Sean doesnt understand is..." or "Sean refuses to accept that...", I feel like lining up the poster's CV against this one.

Do they really think he can help produce all that and yet "not understand" something which is so obvious to them?


Fredrik wrote:
I don't recall the threads in question, but I like their moderation policy just the way it is. It's really very strict by most boards' standards.

It happens on a consistent basis, but the monk thread made people lose their minds.

I don't think it is strict based on boards that owned and ran by a public company. The have to consider their customers, and how making people feel alienate affect the business.

If I start my own RP board, and people constantly insult each other, use profanity and so on, it most likely won't matter as much. I am not selling a product/service, nor would I consider myself to have a customer base, unless I start to run it like business later on.


Steve that is just mostly the PF stuff. He has done other work also*. I don't agree with any game dev all the time myself, but most of them have a body of work that says they know what they are doing.

PS:That means that most of the time, they get it right. :)

*I am sure you know this, but other people might be less aware.


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Understood. I also disagree with rules designers often enough, but I'm willing to bet in any argument about RPGs that Sean had thought carefully about - he'd be right and I'd be wrong. People love citing "argument from authority" without actually understanding it.

I find it annoying, given paizo are so open and accessible - disagreement is fine, but the disrespect is galling.


wraithstrike wrote:
Fredrik wrote:
I don't recall the threads in question, but I like their moderation policy just the way it is. It's really very strict by most boards' standards.
It happens on a consistent basis, but the monk thread made people lose their minds.

I'm almost afraid to ask: what monk thread?


Fredrik wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Fredrik wrote:
I don't recall the threads in question, but I like their moderation policy just the way it is. It's really very strict by most boards' standards.
It happens on a consistent basis, but the monk thread made people lose their minds.
I'm almost afraid to ask: what monk thread?

Eh... you'll find a comment or two in just about all of them.


Fredrik wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Fredrik wrote:
I don't recall the threads in question, but I like their moderation policy just the way it is. It's really very strict by most boards' standards.
It happens on a consistent basis, but the monk thread made people lose their minds.
I'm almost afraid to ask: what monk thread?

The one that started was when Paizo said the monk has to use two weapons for flurry of blows, but every monk Paizo has used in official publications has work closely to how the 3.5 version worked.

Paizo said it was a misunderstanding. Others called it stealth errata or a retcon, and things went down hill from there.

There is a thread called Flurry of Changes to Flurry of Blows.<--This is still active, and it is where Sean says such behavior is the reason for no FAQ's from him.
There is another asking is it really retcon, which is more or less calling the devs liars. <--I don't remember the exact name of the thread, but if you saw it you would know it.

I can't remember the next one.

IIRC there were more than three of them.

The monk thread is just the most recent example though. There was a blog on using lances, and one on the interaction between mirror image, and cleave.


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Aha! I saw that thread (Flurry of Changes to Flurry of Blows) and said to myself, "Self, do you want to read that thread? Why no, I do not. That is good. You are wise, self." So I did not read it, and I was happy.

Sovereign Court

Wise choice. Some things in that thread cannot be unseen.

Liberty's Edge

Well, the first step would be for the people who made the comments to public appologize for their behavior.


Most people won't apologize or maybe I should say most will but not most of the time. Its not in human nature to admit being wrong, heck I have a problem with it on occasion. Especially with the anonymity of the internet to hide behind.


Quite a few people have a lot invested in it being stealth errata. I doubt they'll apologize.

I do look forward for more FAQs eventually.


I am thinking/hoping that eventually(months from now) one(FAQ blog) will get done, and depending on the reaction more we might get them back.

Grand Lodge

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Bobson wrote:
Personally, I'd prefer a month slippage (or a month of "downtime" built into the schedule) and a dedicated "Lets clear up as many questions as possible" effort made for that time instead.

While you might prefer that (and man others, myself included, would not), I think it would be a phenominally bad business decision for Paizo to delay their monthly revenue stream to produce a time-consuming free product.

-Skeld

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Gorbacz wrote:
...even if it means more of my posts getting deleted!

I second the motion to remove more of Gorby's posts.

-Skeld ;)


Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
Wise choice. Some things in that thread cannot be unseen.

What has been seen...

But on reflection, maybe Gorbacz is right. I mean, if I could tell just looking at a thread that it was bad news, then maybe it shouldn't have been.


Well some people hold things near and dear to them. Like myself, Master Arminas, or Dabbler, to name a few, are very interested in helping the Monk, so we frequent the Monk threads. I've been absent lately as my computer died, but I've been trying to keep an eye on them.

Sovereign Court

Keeping an eye on such threads is fine, but those who make personal attacks on Paizo and specifically, the developers, leave me with a nasty taste in my mouth when I read such threads.

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I like RD threads, because RD makes no claim to be anything but a hardcore loophole seeking munchkin.

It is the people who pretend they aren't trying to game the system that get on my nerves.

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Yeah, RD threads may be mind-numbingly mind-numbing, but they're full of goodwill (if sometimes terribly misplaced).


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Don't forget these classics:

Psionics suck/are awesome/OP/misunderstood
The Golarion ACLU (aka the Drow Baby Syndrome) threads
Threads fishing for devs' answers to use as ammo against an "unfair" DM ruling.

Glad there is an ignore function for these threads. Makes it easier to not post.

Tels wrote:
Well some people hold things near and dear to them. Like myself, Master Arminas, or Dabbler, to name a few, are very interested in helping the Monk, so we frequent the Monk threads. I've been absent lately as my computer died, but I've been trying to keep an eye on them.

Doesn't justify fans being jerks.


I never thought of Master Arminas or Dabbler as jerks. In fact it seems like they go out of their way to not be jerks sometimes. Sure the discussions can get heated but they are always respectful. There are some jerks on these forums (those who actively troll), but these two are not on the list as far as I'm concerned.


Yeah, I agree. Some people get stuck into the designers personally. Others (like those two) manage to give criticism without getting personal. I don't think it's a coincidence that their arguments are generally more persuasive.


I can only imagine that their adamant proclamations of stealth errata, despite the devs repeatedly saying it wasn't as well as easily researchable information that showed it couldn't have been, got fairly old after a while. At that point, you're accusing the developers of outright lying.

I'm glad it's mellowed out quite a bit.


Didn't mean them, just fans in general.

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