Can an alchemist take Item creation feats?


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I like the vivisectionist archetype and wanted to go the route of doctor Frankenstein with the anthropomorphic creatures and constructs.
However when I looked at the magic item creation feats the prerequisite was a caster level. The alchemist uses infusions created from spells ut doesn't actually cast spells.
Does the alchemist have a caster level?

Grand Lodge

An alchemist treats his level as caster level for the purposes of meeting prerequisites of item creation feats. This is proven by recent Pathfinder APs.


Thanks for the quick answer.
What adventure path was that?

Grand Lodge

Carrion Crown.


Thanks. I'll go check out what I can find.


Read as written, the answer is very so much no.

Based on a few things, including the module bbt mentions, the intention quite probably is yes. Otherwise there's a lot of misinformation amongst the freelancers.

Grand Lodge

Perhaps RAW without FAQ or errata, but otherwise, yes it works.


http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz57vw?Level-15-Alchemist-Crafting-Machine#2

This is an older post of mine showing the evidence for them being able to craft. Hopefully someone else can linkify it; it's a PITA on the phone.


I would think that at the very least they could take Craft Construct (for Homunculi and Alchemical Golems). And, if not that, the RAW does have the Master Craftsman feat, so they could use their ranks in Craft (Alchemy) as their caster level for Craft Magic Arms & Armor and Craft Wondrous Item.

(I'm also playing a Vivisectionist -- Vivisectionist/Beast Form, actually -- and have been wondering this same thing!)


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

In my opinion since the alchemist is given Brew Potion, an item creation feat, at level 1 it would indicate that alchemists do indeed qualify for item creation feats.


Note that the reason they get brew potion is because they can't take it otherwise, RAW.

Which is probably a really good case for that they can't take other item creation feats, come to think of it. Hm.


Cheapy wrote:

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz57vw?Level-15-Alchemist-Crafting-Machine#2

This is an older post of mine showing the evidence for them being able to craft. Hopefully someone else can linkify it; it's a PITA on the phone.

Linky

There you go.


I know i have seen this same thread at least 6-7 times and pretty sure J.J. said him self that yes they can


Cheapy wrote:

Note that the reason they get brew potion is because they can't take it otherwise, RAW.

Which is probably a really good case for that they can't take other item creation feats, come to think of it. Hm.

Depends if the reason they can't take it is because...

a) They're not casters
b) They're not third level
c) both

It's not just that they get Brew Potion. It's that they get it at level 1, so they can be making potions right from the start.

Grand Lodge

See, I'm under the impression that they CAN, and it's in the "Alchemy" section, involving their extracts, and item usage:

Quote:

Although the alchemist doesn’t actually cast spells, he

does have a formulae list that determines what extracts
he can create (see page 32). An alchemist can utilize
spell-trigger items if the spell appears on his formuale
list, but not spell-completion items (unless he uses Use
Magic Device to do so). An extract is “cast” by drinking
it, as if imbibing a potion—the effects of an extract
exactly duplicate the spell upon which its formula is
based, save that the spell always affects only the drinking
alchemist. The alchemist uses his level as the caster level
to determine any effect based on caster level.

This seems like it would even be extended to feats as well, especially when you include that last sentence.


On a related note, Metamagic feats cannot be applied to Alchemist Extracts, can they?

Grand Lodge

I'm not 100% sure on the RAW, but I'm assuming you can (with the exception of quicken) as they are "cast" into the potion. But again, a clear answer on this from a developer would be appreciated.


Based on this, the reason the alchemist didn't originally get brew potion was because of the differences between spells and formulae. The caster level part wasn't directly a part of the reason.

Grand Lodge

In the end, they can take, and use item creation feats. Developer input and the hard evidence of current Pathfinder APs is proof of this. If you decide to houserule it otherwise, that's fine.


Doktor Archeville wrote:
On a related note, Metamagic feats cannot be applied to Alchemist Extracts, can they?

I'm pretty sure you can't. Extracts are not spells.

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