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Ha, this soo reminds me of arguments I've had with my players over the Adopted Trait granting a "racial trait" and a "race trait." I've had to explain over and over why taking Adopted doesn't give you an Orc's Darkvision.
Anyway, there have been several campaign setting books for Golarion. Some were just alternate rules of D&D 3.5 OGL "Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting." and the more recent Pathfinder RPG title of the "Inner Sea World Guide." While yes, many things translate between the two, I tend to look at the Pafthfinder RPG line specifically for world information now. But there's nothing stopping you from letting your elves trance instead of sleep, if that's how you want to roll. It's your game, have fun with it. In my games, Elves have a choice of sleeping via Trance with the caveat there will be a light Fortitude check to avoid becoming sickened after three straight days of doing so. And regardless of a trance, spells still come back at the same rate. This has proven more benificial to elven fighters or rogues than casters.
I would like my new Elf to trance for 4 hours so I am building her with the race creation rules.
what would be a fair Racial Point cost for elven trance?
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I would like my new Elf to trance for 4 hours so I am building her with the race creation rules.
what would be a fair Racial Point cost for elven trance?
Probably 1 RP. I don't think it quite reaches the power of some of the 2 RP choices (immunities to specific effects, like magical sleep). It is basically an ability that cuts your rest requirement in half. Casters may still need their full 8 hours to prepare their minds, the 'trance' just seems to help with physical refreshment.
It also assumes that during their 4 hours, they are otherwise treated as a sleeping creature for purposes of awareness, meaning that being in a 'deep meditation' provides the same penalties to Perception checks as anyone else, it's not like they're sitting around at full attention just because they are 'meditating' instead of sleeping.
No may about it, they absolutely still require the full 8 hours.
Rest: To prepare his daily spells, a wizard must first sleep for 8 hours. The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time, but he must refrain from movement, combat, spellcasting, skill use, conversation, or any other fairly demanding physical or mental task during the rest period. If his rest is interrupted, each interruption adds 1 hour to the total amount of time he has to rest in order to clear his mind, and he must have at least 1 hour of uninterrupted rest immediately prior to preparing his spells. If the character does not need to sleep for some reason, he still must have 8 hours of restful calm before preparing any spells.
Okay, so I've heard that in earlier editions of D&D, elves didn't sleep at all. But in Pathfinder, there's nothing in the race description in the Core Rules (unless I'm just blind) saying that they don't sleep. They're immune to magical sleep effects, but there's nothing saying they don't sleep naturally every night.
But then I just happened to stumble across the spell nightmare, which says (near the end of the text) that "Creatures who don't sleep (such as elves, but not half-elves)..."
Okay, what? Did they just forget to delete that? Or did they forget to include text in the Races chapter stating that they don't sleep?
Or am I just not seeing something?
They made a deliberate change to give differences between Golarion Elves and Forgotten Realms/ Tolkien knockoffs.
Elves in Golarion don't "trance", they sleep... generally in comfortable beds if they can manage it.
They made a deliberate change to give differences between Golarion Elves and Forgotten Realms/ Tolkien knockoffs.
Elves in Golarion don't "trance", they sleep... generally in comfortable beds if they can manage it.
I don't think it was deliberate - the section of the D&D rules that said elves trance instead of sleep was never declared Open Content. Paizo couldn't use it. That is the cause for a lot of the minor differences between D&D and Pathfinder.
That being said, that particular part of this thread is over a year and a half old. No need to continue it.
They made a deliberate change to give differences between Golarion Elves and Forgotten Realms/ Tolkien knockoffs.
Elves in Golarion don't "trance", they sleep... generally in comfortable beds if they can manage it.
I don't think it was deliberate - the section of the D&D rules that said elves trance instead of sleep was never declared Open Content. Paizo couldn't use it. That is the cause for a lot of the minor differences between D&D and Pathfinder.
That being said, that particular part of this thread is over a year and a half old. No need to continue it.
While that is true, James Jacobs has been asked this question numerous times. It was a deliberate change made for Pathfinder in general and Golarion in particular, along with an actual limit being put on their lifespans. Unfortunately he was not able to get ALL of the changes he wanted into the books, so the elves of Kyonin copied the disdain of others that has been a D+D trope.
hmm I just might give them a racial spell ability of Keep Watch 1x/day
I miss the trance flavor - i think Pathfinder humanized Elves too much by loosing their otherworldly mystical feel to them - I like my Moon elves like Noldor
Thank you for the assistance