Wizard / rogue

[Morris Chan]

3 levels of wizard
3 levels of rogue

can you do gliterdust blinding several creatures than do a blast attack to do sneak attack damage to all targets?

[UltimaGabe]

No. A sneak attack can only be made on an attack (i.e., when you make an attack roll) and when your target is denied their dexterity bonus to AC. Area spells neither require an attack roll nor does the target's AC come into play.

You CAN make Sneak Attacks with spells, but only weapon-like spells (that is, spells that require an attack roll- such as Ray or Touch spells) assuming the target is denied their dexterity bonus.

[Axl]

It depends what you mean by a "blast attack". As UltimateGabe says, you can deal sneak attack damage with weapon-like spells.

The closest spell that I can think of that would achieve your aim is Scorching Ray. However you would need seven levels of wizard to fire two rays with one casting.

[Ismodai]

only the arcane trickster can blast sneak at his highest lvls

[LazarX]

Arcane Trickster is the PrC that ties these two together.

[StreamOfTheSky]

And since that wouldn't be till level 16+...won't be terribly effective. Using Stone Call for an auto-hit no save no energy type damage in a giant area is decent, though.

[Shalafi2412]

Sneak attack with a scorching ray is a great way to really do major damage!

[Reecy]

So is Invisiblity+ Sap Master+ Billy Club= 16d6 of slap you upside the head in the surprise round followed by Scorching ray + 8d6 to the face the following round... Unfortunately sneak attack only applies to one ray which is garbage!

[wraithstrike]

All those rays happen at the same time, not one after the other so sneak attack should apply to all of them, unless a developer has stated otherwise.

[cartmanbeck]

wraithstrike wrote:

All those rays happen at the same time, not one after the other so sneak attack should apply to all of them, unless a developer has stated otherwise.

Correct, nowhere in the Pathfinder rules does it say that you can't get sneak damage with all of the rays of a scorching ray or similar ability. The only rule that has every stated that you CAN'T is from 3.5 Complete Arcane, which was not updated to PF.

[Dragonchess Player]

Morris Chan wrote:

3 levels of wizard

3 levels of rogue

can you do gliterdust blinding several creatures than do a blast attack to do sneak attack damage to all targets?

You can blind creatures with glitterdust and then Sneak Attack with any damaging spell that requires an attack roll. Scorching ray would work; burning hands, magic missile, or fireball would not. The only way to Sneak Attack with a spell that doesn't use an attack roll is with the Surprise Spells ability (arcane trickster capstone).

[Morris Chan]

thanks for that figured it might be that way.

[Martiln]

wraithstrike wrote:

All those rays happen at the same time, not one after the other so sneak attack should apply to all of them, unless a developer has stated otherwise.

Invisibility drops once you make an attack roll, does it not?

[Gignere]

Martiln wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

All those rays happen at the same time, not one after the other so sneak attack should apply to all of them, unless a developer has stated otherwise.

Invisibility drops once you make an attack roll, does it not?

Maybe the caster won initiative or has greater invis, or the big bad was made flat footed by the monk with a 7 branch sword. If you can find a way to full round sneak attack, every ray will do sneak attack damage.

[LazarX]

cartmanbeck wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

All those rays happen at the same time, not one after the other so sneak attack should apply to all of them, unless a developer has stated otherwise.

Correct, nowhere in the Pathfinder rules does it say that you can't get sneak damage with all of the rays of a scorching ray or similar ability. The only rule that has every stated that you CAN'T is from 3.5 Complete Arcane, which was not updated to PF.

YOu can't however aim 3 rays at one person and get 3 sets of sneak attack damage at one target. Precision damage only counts once per person per spell.

[Axl]

LazarX wrote:

YOu can't however aim 3 rays at one person and get 3 sets of sneak attack damage at one target. Precision damage only counts once per person per spell.

Where is that stated?

[Morris Chan]

thats not true, a rogue with two weapon fighting can do sneak attack damage multiple times if they are flanking or enemy is flat footed.

[Dekalinder]

Axl wrote:

LazarX wrote:

YOu can't however aim 3 rays at one person and get 3 sets of sneak attack damage at one target. Precision damage only counts once per person per spell.

Where is that stated?

Here

[Gignere]

Dekalinder wrote:

Axl wrote:

LazarX wrote:

YOu can't however aim 3 rays at one person and get 3 sets of sneak attack damage at one target. Precision damage only counts once per person per spell.

Where is that stated?

Here

That is a question of the Arcane Tricksters unique ability to sneak attack with spells without attack rolls.

You can not extrapolate that to spells with attack rolls.

[Mabven the OP healer]

If the opponent is blinded, and you are not depending on invisibility or stealth (yes I know stealth does not by RAW provide sneak attacks yet), then there is no limit to the number of attack rolls per round that can benefit from sneak attack damage. Separate attack rolls, separate precision damage.