Drawing bookshelves on maps


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Silver Crusade 5/5

Drawing my maps for an upcoming session. Anyone have a good example how to hand draw a bookshelf?

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

yeah, don't...get cheap 3D bookcases from Fat Dragon Games and make your own. :-)

5/5

Email Doug about it. He draws ridiculous bookshelves.

Silver Crusade 5/5

@Bob
That Fat Dragon Games stuff is pretty cool. I'll probably look into them more.

@Kyle
I hate pestering Doug for map stuff. I've done it a few times already. Last time I asked he would have had to go out of his way to get them for me. I need to just start sitting at his tables and taking photos of every map he puts out :P

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

I'm sure Doug would be happy to snap a pic from one of his maps and send it to you for inspiration. Hell, he should put his maps up on eBay :-)

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Bob Jonquet wrote:
I'm sure Doug would be happy to snap a pic from one of his maps and send it to you for inspiration. Hell, he should put his maps up on eBay :-)

*Would be willing to buy them*

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Bob Jonquet wrote:
yeah, don't...get cheap 3D bookcases from Fat Dragon Games and make your own. :-)

Careful; that's a slippery slope!

It starts with a couple of bookshelves, and ends hundreds of hours later with scale models of entire castles, complete with furniture, opening doors, and the mountain it's built on.

Seriously, I love Fat Dragon's products and highly recommend them.

The Exchange 5/5

I located my maps in storage and sent Dan some pics today. The advantage of drawing terrain vs using 3D pieces is you have fewer moving pieces to keep track of. 3D terrain is certainly the bomb and all things equal I'd prefer to play at a 3D table. But logistically drawing stuff on maps keeps it simple.

I start by making a simple brown rectangle.
I like to use a wide variety of colors (mostly earth tones) and draw little nubs staggered all down the longer side of the rectangle. Some are fat and some are skinny. Sometimes there are gaps. This represents the books protruding from the shelves.
Then I use a very fine black pen and put a crisp border on the three side of the protruding books.
Inside of the rectangle (on top of the bookshelf) I will scatter items like open books, sheets of papers and scrolls. You have got to have a wide variety of colors to do it right, Prismacolor markers make several appropriate parchment colors.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Doug, you are a very awesome guy. The maps as normal (for you) are awesome and beyond anything I've seen. I'm seriously curious, without breaking into 3d, does anyone think they've got better 2d maps than Doug's?

Shadow Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant

I may spend way too much time on my 2d maps, but I doubt I'll ever get the quality of Doug's. At least from what I've seen. :)

Silver Crusade 5/5

Those are some EXPENSIVE markers you recommended.

http://www.dickblick.com/products/prismacolor-premier-double-ended-art-mark ers/

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Dan Luckett wrote:
does anyone think they've got better 2d maps than Doug's?

Sometimes. Doug's advantage is in the details. His rubble and bookcases can't be beat.

The Exchange 5/5

Yep, there are plenty of maps that I am less-than-proud-of. You don't see Roger Kernsmith posting here but he's got phenomenal map-drawing skillz. And Kyle's shown me up before.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant

Dan Luckett wrote:

Those are some EXPENSIVE markers you recommended.

http://www.dickblick.com/products/prismacolor-premier-double-ended-art-mark ers/

I don't know about that. I use sharpies, and if you buy them individually, they aren't that much less than your link.

Liberty's Edge

Well now I am super curious. Doug, is there a place one could view your maps?

The Exchange 5/5

Nope, I've never done Flickr or other media sharing. Believe me, my maps won't live up to the hype here ;-)

Silver Crusade 5/5

I've searched for good 2d maps examples. I've never found anything compared to yours Doug. So, you could be the first into the market of free examples. :P

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Doug Miles wrote:
Yep, there are plenty of maps that I am less-than-proud-of. You don't see Roger Kernsmith posting here but he's got phenomenal map-drawing skillz. And Kyle's shown me up before.

Roger's use of color is phenomenal!

Silver Crusade 5/5

I'll have to message the Kern on Facebook to see if he can get me some photos.

Maybe I'll see about making a website, get permission from map artists, and compile the art together for reference.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

You might want to look into architectural / interior design stencils. A couple of the GM's here in Fresno make beautiful maps using these stencils.

Liberty's Edge

Doug Miles wrote:
Nope, I've never done Flickr or other media sharing. Believe me, my maps won't live up to the hype here ;-)

:(

Liberty's Edge

Dan Luckett wrote:

I'll have to message the Kern on Facebook to see if he can get me some photos.

Maybe I'll see about making a website, get permission from map artists, and compile the art together for reference.

That would be cool!


I generally draw a rectangle, and have squiggly lines in it.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Personally, I'm both a lousy artist and lazy about it. So I'm trying a new approach to the maps for the adventure I'm running this Sunday (my 3rd time GMing PFS). I copied and pasted the maps out of the scenario into MS Paint, expanded the size of them to have one inch squares, and printed them. Done!

The Exchange 5/5

That's always an option, Fromper. I have done that myself. But often the map provided has been shoehorned into the scenario and a custom-drawn map can improve the quality of the experience. Also as recent as #3-11 there have been scenarios that do not include maps for every encounter.

The Exchange 4/5

Doug, I would like to see pictures of your maps. I am hoping for a bit of inspiration and insight into the GMing juggernaut that is Doug Miles.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Fromper wrote:

Personally, I'm both a lousy artist and lazy about it. So I'm trying a new approach to the maps for the adventure I'm running this Sunday (my 3rd time GMing PFS). I copied and pasted the maps out of the scenario into MS Paint, expanded the size of them to have one inch squares, and printed them. Done!

I have done this multiple times when I'm facing a time crunch. A hand drawn map in my experience that you take the time to make look good will always get more "ooos & aaahs" than a printed one. Though the printed ones are more appreciated than the hastily drawn box and quickly scrawled doodles on a game mat.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

I know someone who has some digital pics of a few of DougDoug's maps ;-)
*backs away slowly

Silver Crusade 5/5

Yea, it's me...why're you backing away? Are they laced with Explosive Runes? *Goes to examine pics*

*Explosion*

*Doesn't come back*


Fat Dragon is awesome. But this thread is pretty overlong for just drawing bookcases.

Draw a long rectangle, about an inch to an inch-and-a-half wide, adjacent to and half an inch out from a wall. Draw several small rectangles and squares poking off of it at a right angle to the first rectangle.

Done.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant

Hmmm... I happen to know where Doug will be in a week or so... Might just have to take some snap shots... ;)

5/5

Poor Doug isn't going to bring his maps now that he knows y'all are plotting against him *sheesh* This is why plotting is to be done in secret!!!

Dan, While my versions certainly aren't up to Doug standards (shhhh yours truely are a work of art Doug). You're more than welcome to pics of mine if you want them.

Silver Crusade 5/5

@CBG
Sure, if memory serves and the details of the maps are kind of fuzzy from 4-5 months ago (But not your awesome story telling), but if it still serves, yours were pretty good. We should all start cataloging our work. I can see it being of benefit to many.

@Bruunwald
This thread was thread jacked by the OP...ME! OP's have that right...right?

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