First: How do I kill her so that the seal can't restore her?
Second: Where would be the best place?
Third: How do I move the story along with just Ameiko being dead?
Fourth and Over all: How can I do this without looking like I planned it ahead of time?
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A couple of ideas, off the top of my head:
There are lots of dramatic places to do it. At the Crown of the World isn't bad, but it might be narratively interesting to wait until the last chapter.
The story moves along just fine, since the characters are also heirs. Possibly better (depending on the group), since they have a personal reason to go, and aren't just babysitting her.
However, if anyone took a trait connecting them to her, and has been working on the relationship, be careful. You'll be wiping out a trait benefit and negating all their work. My plan is that NPCs who die after the relationship boon has been achieved can keep it, as long as they carry a memento, and the trait benefit can be transferred to another NPC they've bonded with over the adventure.
A couple of ideas, off the top of my head:
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Goods thoughts. Thank you, really. Any other suggestions?
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First; are you the GM or a player?
I am the GM. No malice is meant. It's a matter of one of my players and his character. He's not a good role player and he's been pursuing (and laying claim to) her but it is not a good match and he takes none of the hints or hooks I lay out for him and I can't cut off the "Romance" without angering him or having him throw a passive aggressive, snarky fit.
A ****ing dragon appears out of nowhere and eats her?
She just mysteriously disappears?
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In that case, I have different suggestions:
1) There is a thread elsewhere on killing players. I can't recommend this, because you may go to jail, but it's a solution.
2) Kill off his PC.
3) Talk with the player: if Ameiko outright spurns him they can go the "antagonist" route. One of my players is going that route with Sandru, and it's a blast.
For the record: I have no intention of killing Ameiko. One of my PCs is playing her little sister, and would make a very, very bad empress.
My problem is Shalelu: the character is really flat, for me. She looms. She is imposing. I just can't make her interesting to my players. Any ideas?
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Hey, you don't need to kill her off. Just drive *him* off!
- Have her start spending hours telling the PC about the boring parts of how her day went, or a bunch of gossip about people he doesn't know, and then get all grumpy when he doesn't show any interest.
- Or he says something to her, and she gets angry at him, and he can't figure out why, and she won't tell him because he should already know.
- Or she starts to get jealous about all the time he's spending with the other PCs, and decides they need to sit down and have a long talk about where this relationship is going and how he needs to decide where his priorities are.
I'll bet your bad role-player won't be up for handling much of that action. ;)
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I love this idea. Other things Ameiko could do:
She could try for the antagonist boon from the PC while he is trying for her companion boon. (I've been in that relationship.)
Convert to Evangelical Shelynism, and talk about nothing but Shelyn every chance she gets. Every sentence ends with the words, "by the beauty of Shelyn" or "if Shelyn wills it." "Have you accepted Shelyn as your personal savior?"
In Hongal, start talking about how much she liked the Prince's ruling style. The two of them take long walks and discuss the "proper" way to treat servants.
She starts wearing cat ears everywhere and making little heart shapes with her hands whenever she looks at the character in question. In Kalsgaard, she starts spending a lot of time in leather shops and asks the character "which whip he likes more," for no apparent reason. She encourages him to get "Constitution bumps" at every opportunity.
(Stealing from Jason Aaron): "You should know that I do not plan to have many children. Five should do. And I would like to get started soon, but I must be married first. Obviously, however, as Empress, I will have many duties. You do not mind being a stay-at-home father, do you? No royal consort has ever been an 'adventurer.' We will simply rule Minkai together, and our friends will tell us of their adventuring lives."
Or go exactly the opposite direction: Ameiko "tries for the companion boon" with all the PCs, if you know what I mean. "It is acceptable for an Empress to have many consorts. They, of course, are dedicated to her for life. Stop being a consort? Of course. Where do you think eunuchs come from?"
In my campaign, Ameiko sings constantly, about every little thing she does. "I'm riding in a wagon, bumping down the road. Riding in a wagon, with a heavy load." "It's my turn to wash the dishes, cuz the barbarian always breaks them and the ninja is no where to be seen at cleanup time, yeah, yeah, yeah." She's basically Zooey Deschanel, turned up to eleven.
* Level of the PCs vs Level of the NPCs, maybe she can fight him (give her max HP).
* Part of what ruemere said.
* If the PC want to sex something that much, summon a Succubus or 2.
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I am the GM. No malice is meant. It's a matter of one of my players and his character. He's not a good role player and he's been pursuing (and laying claim to) her but it is not a good match and he takes none of the hints or hooks I lay out for him and I can't cut off the "Romance" without angering him or having him throw a passive aggressive, snarky fit.
Have you considered talking to the player out of game. Also if he acts so childishly when criticized do you really want to continue playing with him?
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I am the GM. No malice is meant. It's a matter of one of my players and his character. He's not a good role player and he's been pursuing (and laying claim to) her but it is not a good match and he takes none of the hints or hooks I lay out for him and I can't cut off the "Romance" without angering him or having him throw a passive aggressive, snarky fit.
So you kill a plot essential NPC, because you can't deal with your players? Great going. :-/
My problem is Shalelu: the character is really flat, for me. She looms. She is imposing. I just can't make her interesting to my players. Any ideas?
I also have been running into that problem. She is really kind of this imposing, stoic, statuesque elf... very difficult to make interesting.
My problem is Shalelu: the character is really flat, for me. She looms. She is imposing. I just can't make her interesting to my players. Any ideas?I also have been running into that problem. She is really kind of this imposing, stoic, statuesque elf... very difficult to make interesting.
I make her funny using her terseness, enigmatic nature and lack of tact.
There was a moment a while ago, where the party was speaking to an NPC. The NPC implied that the male elf cavalier and Shalelu were "mates" because they were both elves, and the cavalier quickly shot him down, denying the whole thing. Shalelu thought on it for a moment and said, "In a way, that's a compliment" and then left-- leaving the party baffled.
Recently, after befriending the yetis in the Path of Spirits, Shalelu was speaking to a yeti-- and the party was curious, so they went over to see if she knew aklo or what were they saying?
Shalelu was saying words ("arrow") and then the yeti was whargarbling it back at her like she was Lilo and it was Stitch ("haarrrou"). And Shalelu is just standing there with a smug expression on her face.
From a more serious side, I try to play her like the overprotective guardian. She's first to fire, first to use military tactics, has trained the entire caravan staff to use crossbows and is the first person to interrogate new recruits to the caravan about their loyalty.
I am the GM. No malice is meant. It's a matter of one of my players and his character. He's not a good role player and he's been pursuing (and laying claim to) her but it is not a good match and he takes none of the hints or hooks I lay out for him and I can't cut off the "Romance" without angering him or having him throw a passive aggressive, snarky fit.So you kill a plot essential NPC, because you can't deal with your players? Great going. :-/
Took the words right out of my mind.
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My problem is Shalelu: the character is really flat, for me. She looms. She is imposing. I just can't make her interesting to my players. Any ideas?I also have been running into that problem. She is really kind of this imposing, stoic, statuesque elf... very difficult to make interesting.I make her funny using her terseness, enigmatic nature and lack of tact.
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Yeah, I play her Like Ziva on NCIS
So you kill a plot essential NPC, because you can't deal with your players? Great going. :-/
I like Ameiko and would love to keep her and I would rather kill the character off.
Some of the role-play suggestions wouldn't work because of the nature of the player and he's one of the only two players available to me also, he's my roommate.
Is it safe to say that the Five Storms know about the resurrection power of the seal?
Some of the role-play suggestions wouldn't work because of the nature of the player and he's one of the only two players available to me also, he's my roommate.
Sorry, you might be out of luck here.
Is it safe to say that the Five Storms know about the resurrection power of the seal?Yes I'd say so
Spoiler for book 6:They're currently in possesion of the other 4 family seals in the imperial vault.
My problem is Shalelu: the character is really flat, for me. She looms. She is imposing. I just can't make her interesting to my players. Any ideas?
Put Shalelu in places where she doesn't belong. That mkaes pergect opportunity to roleplay her as more complex character.
For example:Forest of Spirits spoiler:I think that would be good situation to make her more interesting. One can think more ways to put her out of her confort zone (and break player's prejudices). She could be saving baby seals and if some PC is in very friendly relationship with her she could be frustrated as she can't find good words for her love poem (mumbling rhymes all day) etc.
Okay I'm bit tired now.. More tommorrow if I remember.
So you kill a plot essential NPC, because you can't deal with your players? Great going. :-/I like Ameiko and would love to keep her and I would rather kill the character off.
Some of the role-play suggestions wouldn't work because of the nature of the player and he's one of the only two players available to me also, he's my roommate.
Honestly, just tell him that his behaviour weirds you out and you cannot deal with it. If he is a decent human being, he'll lay off it.
Honestly, just tell him that his behaviour weirds you out and you cannot deal with it. If he is a decent human being, he'll lay off it.
So you kill a plot essential NPC, because you can't deal with your players? Great going. :-/I like Ameiko and would love to keep her and I would rather kill the character off.
Some of the role-play suggestions wouldn't work because of the nature of the player and he's one of the only two players available to me also, he's my roommate.
...such things exist?
...such things exist?
Yes.
Have her die during one of the "Ameiko gets kidnapped again" moments.
You could have it happen during her coma in Brinewall Legacy
There's a kidnapping in Night of Frozen Shadows, at Notoriety event 11.
There's a kidnapping in Hungry Storm, at area O.
You could do it in Forest of Spirits during the Five Feasts of Hongsal.
I like Ameiko and would love to keep her and I would rather kill the character off.
...Or you could just kill the character. The player may be your roommate, but that shouldn't mean they have immunity to dying. Once in a while we all need to be reminded of what it is to lose our character.
I very nearly fed my roommate's beloved character to a lizard a couple weeks ago. >:3
Have her die during one of the "Ameiko gets kidnapped again" moments.
You could have it happen during her coma in Brinewall Legacy
There's a kidnapping in Night of Frozen Shadows, at Notoriety event 11.
There's a kidnapping in Hungry Storm, at area O.
You could do it in Forest of Spirits during the Five Feasts of Hongsal.I like Ameiko and would love to keep her and I would rather kill the character off....Or you could just kill the character. The player may be your roommate, but that shouldn't mean they have immunity to dying. Once in a while we all need to be reminded of what it is to lose our character.
I very nearly fed my roommate's beloved character to a lizard a couple weeks ago. >:3
You make me smile. She's a real Lois Lane isn't she?
Not even ambiguously happy ones? Guess that's why I consider horror games boring.
Not even ambiguously happy ones? Guess that's why I consider horror games boring.
And to imagine that I hate happy endings. No wonder I lover horror games over every other gaming genre...
Not even ambiguously happy ones? Guess that's why I consider horror games boring.And to imagine that I hate happy endings. No wonder I lover horror games over every other gaming genre...
Unless it is an happy ending for the psychotic being / cosmic horror?
Unless it is an happy ending for the psychotic being / cosmic horror?Not even ambiguously happy ones? Guess that's why I consider horror games boring.And to imagine that I hate happy endings. No wonder I lover horror games over every other gaming genre...
Indeed. Or an ending that seems happy, but under closer scrutiny, nobody wins...
So, on a bittersweet note.
I no longer have to worry about killing off of Ameiko or that player's character...
Because my other player lost feeling for the game and jumped at the idea of a different game/setting.