Can Witch Hexes be dispelled?

[darth_borehd]

I'm talking about the supernatural hexes like Slumber. Can they be dispelled with Dispel Magic? What about Break Enchantment?

[concerro]

No. You can only dispel spells and SLA's. SU's don't have caster levels.
Break enchantment is limited to spells also. Some supernatural effects might specifically say they are an exception to the rule though.

[Corlindale]

You cannot. But Slumber can be "dispelled" by giving someone a good kick (you can rouse them with a standard action), so for that particular Hex it's not going to be a huge issue anyway - as long as you can get to the sleeping person.

[blackbloodtroll]

Wizard: "I can't dispel this sleeping curse upon our ally!"
Fighter: "Um, I think I got this..." (pimp slaps ally) "...there, he's awake, curse removed".

[ClockworkRaccoon]

Can we get an official ruling on that? The GM doesn't believe me.

[GM Rednal]

Dispel Magic, the spell, says absolutely nothing about affecting Supernatural Abilities. Therefore it does not.

Slumber functions as the spell Sleep except as otherwise noted (mainly being Supernatural and not having an HD limit). Using a standard action to awaken them is allowed, so... I suppose flavoring it as slapping is fine, especially given that this is how Sleep can normally be beaten. XD

[Cavall]

Yeah I think it's an "aid another" action. But a single point of damage would do as well, to wake an ally

[wraithstrike]

ClockworkRaccoon wrote:

Can we get an official ruling on that? The GM doesn't believe me.

We don't need an official ruling. Spells and SLA's have caster levels, and the dispel magic rules specifically call out spells.

Since SU's don't have caster levels, and dispel magic does not call out SU's there is nothing to back his opinion. If a monster with 27HD uses an SU there is nothing saying the HD equal caster levels for the purpose of SU so he can't rightfully go that route either. He has no forumla to apply the caster levels of SU's because there is not one. He can't show you anything to back his claim.

PS: The devs don't tend to do FAQ's just because someone questions it. If there was a contradiction in the rules then it might happen, or if it was not written well. This is just a case of your GM not understanding the rules. <in my nice voice>

PPS: If he wishes to come here and discuss it we can do that.

[Gisher]

ClockworkRaccoon wrote:

Can we get an official ruling on that? The GM doesn't believe me.

Show him this:

CRB Glossary wrote:

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

The way these things usually go, even that won't be enough to convince some people.

[ClockworkRaccoon]

Thank you :)

[wraithstrike]

Gisher wrote:

ClockworkRaccoon wrote:

Can we get an official ruling on that? The GM doesn't believe me.

Show him this:

CRB Glossary wrote:

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.

As many times as I have had to explain this I don't know if I have ever used that quote to do it. I will add it to my list if I don't already have it.

Thanks.

[Gisher]

ClockworkRaccoon wrote:

Thank you :)

wraithstrike wrote:

Gisher wrote:

ClockworkRaccoon wrote:

Can we get an official ruling on that? The GM doesn't believe me.

Show him this:

CRB Glossary wrote:

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.

As many times as I have had to explain this I don't know if I have ever used that quote to do it. I will add it to my list if I don't already have it.

Thanks.

You are both welcome. I'm discovering that there are a lot of rules elements that appear only in the Glossary.

[GM Rednal]

Yeah, bits of rules are put all over the place. XD You get used to it.