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Have a character concept that doesn't fit neatly into one character class? Don't want to get involved with the hassle of stopping all progress in your main class just to pick up a little extra flavor? Try out The Genius Guide to feats of Multiclassing. Written by Ryan Costello, Jr. and Owen K.C. Stephens. Guided by the ideas behind Amateur Gunslinger and the Eldritch Heritage line of feats, we present a new mechanism to allow characters to broaden their scope, without breaking game balance or dealing with the more complex options of actually taking a full level of another class.
I'm very glad that the Armiger was one of the classes to have material added for! I know one of my players will be thrilled about those feats.
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I'm very glad that the Armiger was one of the classes to have material added for! I know one of my players will be thrilled about those feats.
Glad to hear it! I would have loved to added bonus feats for all the Super Genius classes, but that would have added another 15 pages to an already long product. Using them as examples seemed a good way to sneak some in, while at the same time making that material more useful to fans of any 3pp.
Of course if Feats of Multiclassing is a huge hit, I could be convinced to do Feats of Genius Multiclassing! :D
I would have loved to added bonus feats for all the Super Genius classes, but that would have added another 15 pages to an already long product. Using them as examples seemed a good way to sneak some in, while at the same time making that material more useful to fans of any 3pp.
Of course if Feats of Multiclassing is a huge hit, I could be convinced to do Feats of Genius Multiclassing! :D
I have to say the examples were very helpful, especially breaking them out into different kinds of class features. And, of course, getting more material to add time thief rules in my campaign is always, always welcome!
If you DO a Genius-class focused followup, I will certainly buy it!
Owen, this is an awesome supplement! Since you guys regularly do exemplary work that is saying a lot. I do have one question, though. Magus-at-Arms requires you to have at least one Magus Multiclass Feat - but I didn't see any others. Am I missing something?
Now that could be interesting. I think Rite Publishing did some feats for some 4WFGs classes - the Gladiator at least - in one of their products and it was really excellent.
Too blinded by the awesome to notice spelling mistakes.
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All 3pp. (Well maybe not all, that would probably be a lot) but maybe work with Rite, Dream Scarred, whomever. I don't mean ignore your own classes by any means, but branch out, I'd love to see feats for multiclassing task shaper. Or psionic warrior. Or whatever.
Interesting idea. At least in some regard psionic classes already have a multiclass-feat like options, and so do SGG's own godling classes, but that doesn't mean some more could not be done...
Now that could be interesting. I think Rite Publishing did some feats for some 4WFGs classes - the Gladiator at least - in one of their products and it was really excellent.
They covered several 3pp classes in 101 Renegade Class Feats.
Are their fans of that product who want to promote the idea of covering the same classes in Feats of Multiclassing II?
Now that could be interesting. I think Rite Publishing did some feats for some 4WFGs classes - the Gladiator at least - in one of their products and it was really excellent.They covered several 3pp classes in 101 Renegade Class Feats.
Are their fans of that product who want to promote the idea of covering the same classes in Feats of Multiclassing II?
The idea of third party publishers cross promoting each others work I feel has been the most brilliant idea ever.
Luckbringer feats used one that covered the Time Thief/Warden, 101 Renegade Feats, Temporal Adept pointing to 101 Renegade Feats, etc. even the Bullet Points the Genius have done that could be taken by Paizo and Genius Classes.
I love this idea it gives support to classes that may not otherwise ever be covered. It also sparks sales to products others may have missed out on.
"The Genius Guide to Feats of Multiclassing applies this same idea to other base classes, allowing players to build characters that touch on the abilities of the alchemist, barbarian, bard, cavalier, cleric, druid, fighter, inquisitor, magus, monk, oracle, paladin, ranger, rogue, sorcerer, summoner, witch, and wizard without taking on levels from multiple classes."
You've mentioned Ultimate Combat as well... but no feats for Gunslingers, Ninjas and Samurais ?
I believe that amateur gunslinger is the feat for gunslingers. Also, ninja and samurai are not classes, they're alternate classes, so that is likely why they're excluded.
I understand for the ninja and samurai, but not so much for the Gunslinger. Sure, the Amateur Gunslinger feat is good for non-gunslinger characters, but what about the other way around ? What if I want a Gunslinger with rogue talents, favored terrains and such ? I haven't gotten the book yet, but you understand, right ?
If you want a character that maybe grew up on the street around rogues and kind of picked up a few of their tricks, that is possible. You take the feats for the class you want to multi-class into, not for the class you already have.
For example there's a feat that lets you select from a limited number of rogue feats. Its a multiclass (rogue) feat. Ditto the terrains but it is multiclass (ranger).
Exactly right.
Also, there are a couple of feats that can be multiclass ninja feats (that grant ki powers), and you use multiclass cavalier feats to gain some abilities from an order, so for samurai just take a samurai order. And I should have listed gunslinger, since I added the Journyman Gunslinger feat, but I didn't think of that when making the list.
But yeah, if you want to add things to your gunslinger, you're taking multiclass feats of other classes. :D
If you want a character that maybe grew up on the street around rogues and kind of picked up a few of their tricks, that is possible. You take the feats for the class you want to multi-class into, not for the class you already have.
For example there's a feat that lets you select from a limited number of rogue feats. Its a multiclass (rogue) feat. Ditto the terrains but it is multiclass (ranger).
Exactly right.
Also, there are a couple of feats that can be multiclass ninja feats (that grant ki powers), and you use multiclass cavalier feats to gain some abilities from an order, so for samurai just take a samurai order. And I should have listed gunslinger, since I added the Journyman Gunslinger feat, but I didn't think of that when making the list.
But yeah, if you want to add things to your gunslinger, you're taking multiclass feats of other classes. :D
Oh, I get it. I don't have the book yet, but it's on my list.
(I always saw the Ninja and Samurai as unique classes... must be the format, because both could have been archetypes. Then again, if they detailled an archetype so I don't have to, it's all good.)
Owen, this is an awesome supplement! Since you guys regularly do exemplary work that is saying a lot. I do have one question, though. Magus-at-Arms requires you to have at least one Magus Multiclass Feat - but I didn't see any others. Am I missing something?
You need to take a spellcaster training feat and choose magus. Then it's a magus multi class feat. So in order to get Mage-at-arms, you need at least novice spell caster training (magus).
Actually I have a question for Ryan on this: should a fighter taking the Ambusher feat have that +1d6 sneak attack damage (since it doesn't apply as full as the rogue ability) qualify towards the Butcher prestige class from Strategists and Tacticians? Or does one have to dip into rogue for that?
Actually I have a question for Ryan on this: should a fighter taking the Ambusher feat have that +1d6 sneak attack damage (since it doesn't apply as full as the rogue ability) qualify towards the Butcher prestige class from Strategists and Tacticians? Or does one have to dip into rogue for that?
I'd expect the answer to be no, since it's a limited form of sneak attack, but I'd still love an answer on this!
Just got this finally, and I LOVE IT!!!!! MOAR plz!!!
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Just got this finally, and I LOVE IT!!!!! MOAR plz!!!
Glad you enjoy it!
We've had extensive requests and suggestions for a sequel, which include doing various 3pp (including SGG and Rite, who I have talked to -- if any other 3pp is really excited to be part of such a project drop me a line), psionics (well, yes, that'd be 3pp too but it's specific 3pp), archetypes, and prestige classes.
Archetype feats? You make me so happy Owen. (I got the whole way through that sentence with a straight face but I couldn't help but bust out laughing afterwards.)
Consider this another big vote for archetype multiclassing feats!
Actually I have a question for Ryan on this: should a fighter taking the Ambusher feat have that +1d6 sneak attack damage (since it doesn't apply as full as the rogue ability) qualify towards the Butcher prestige class from Strategists and Tacticians? Or does one have to dip into rogue for that?I'd expect the answer to be no, since it's a limited form of sneak attack, but I'd still love an answer on this!
Well, I'd think so too, but it says "This otherwise acts as the sneak attack class ability." But it doesn't stack with other sneak attack dice... so it makes one wonder.
Feats of psionic multiclassing should be great. I'm waiting for a follow-up. This could easily be one of SGG books that I enjoyed the most.
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Actually I have a question for Ryan on this: should a fighter taking the Ambusher feat have that +1d6 sneak attack damage (since it doesn't apply as full as the rogue ability) qualify towards the Butcher prestige class from Strategists and Tacticians? Or does one have to dip into rogue for that?
I'm going to have to say no to that one, unfortunately. I really want to say yes, though. A lot of prestige classes have sneak attack prereqs without being thematically tied to rogues. Here's the problem: Other prestige classes with sneak attack prereqs grant sneak attack, which would mean you would have to retrain the feat that granted you access to the prestige class.
It's definitely a case where as a GM I would allow it, but as a designer I can't.
Actually I have a question for Ryan on this: should a fighter taking the Ambusher feat have that +1d6 sneak attack damage (since it doesn't apply as full as the rogue ability) qualify towards the Butcher prestige class from Strategists and Tacticians? Or does one have to dip into rogue for that?I'm going to have to say no to that one, unfortunately. I really want to say yes, though. A lot of prestige classes have sneak attack prereqs without being thematically tied to rogues. Here's the problem: Other prestige classes with sneak attack prereqs grant sneak attack, which would mean you would have to retrain the feat that granted you access to the prestige class.
It's definitely a case where as a GM I would allow it, but as a designer I can't.
Fair enough. Thanks for getting back to me on that.
Feats of psionic multiclassing should be great. I'm waiting for a follow-up. This could easily be one of SGG books that I enjoyed the most.
This would be an awesome alternative to Wild Talents.
That's just my point, xorial ^_^
Wild Talents aren't covered in Dreamscarred rules after all, or are they?
That's just my point, xorial ^_^
Wild Talents aren't covered in Dreamscarred rules after all, or are they?
Yes & no. There is a Wild Talent feat that adds 1 power point, which can be used for psionic feats.
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I read that, but it can't be used to manifest psionic powers (and that bugs me). ^_^
It be better named if it was called Sensitive. The SGG could use the name Wild Talent for a Psionic Multiclass Feat. I imagine it would operate basically like Eldritch Heritage.
I wish so much for that ^____^
I'd like to see a feat that lets a Dragonrider use the Share Spells feature from other classes on their Dragon Mount, perhaps at a reduced caster-level?
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Archetypes, however, have so comparatively few abilities that reducing those to feats seems to undercut their (archetype's) reason for being at all. Why take an archetype when you can just take an archetype feat?
On the other hand, if what you really want is to play a character who was an apprentice to an archetype instead of a base class, why shouldn't you be able tpo pick up a little of that ability rather than only the core ability? For example, if you want to play a viking oracle who originally trained as a shield maiden, you might have great interest in a single multiclass skirnir feat, but no interest in any other multiclass magus feat.
Archetypes are supposed to just be different focuses of the base classes, and there's no special reason why they should be rarer or more protected than the vanilla versions of the class. Indeed, this is a case where I could even see using multiclass archetype feats to let a vanilla class pick up a touch of the flavor of one or more of its archetypes.
Obviously caution must be used to not invalidate the archetypes, but that's true of the whole multiclass feat concept.
Likewise, I view prestige classes as a goal to work toward when you reach high enough level and have enough prerequisites to enter the PrC you want. That's pretty well dashed if you can just take a feat to gain a specific PrC's signature ability.
That's a much trickier question, but one I personally feel confident I can solve. Level dipping is certainly an issue for prestige classes as well as base classes, and lead to some of the same problems. I do think, however, that one step that would have to be taken is to have any prestige multiclass feat have the same prerequisites as the prestige class itself. This means if you have worked toward that goal you now have a choice or rewarding yourself a lot (with a full level) or rewarding yourself a little (with a prestige multiclass feat).
It be better named if it was called Sensitive. The SGG could use the name Wild Talent for a Psionic Multiclass Feat. I imagine it would operate basically like Eldritch Heritage.
While I see where you're coming from, I'm unlikely to actually rename any existing feats of a system I want to be compatible with. It's too likely to lead to confusions. However, it'd be easy enough to develop a similar feeling name, like Raw Psionics, to cover that kind of multiclass psionic feat.