Just wondering if there are any feats out there that let a non-fighter move normal base speed in medium or heavy armor? My look through the books that I have isn't coming up with any, but my research-fu has been lacking of late.
Do any exist?
Just wondering if there are any feats out there that let a non-fighter move normal base speed in medium or heavy armor? My look through the books that I have isn't coming up with any, but my research-fu has been lacking of late.
Do any exist?
I sincerely hope not! Armor Training is a key ability for the much maligned Fighter class, I'd hate to see other classes get their hands on it. :)
Be a Dwarf or Oread.
Take 1 level in Emissary Cavalier and you can move full speed in medium armor, which includes mithral full plate. You'd just need to get proficiency with heavy armor to not eat massive penalties for non-proficiency.
No feats I'm aware of, though.
Oracle of Metal has a revelation that handles it.
Thanks for all the replies. I was not aware of the Emissary Cavalier archetype. That's an interesting option for the player in question.
Sash of the War Champion can effectively give you a 4th level fighters armor training.
The Effortless Armor Spell also helps.
No feat that I know of though.
Sash of the War Champion can effectively give you a 4th level fighters armor training.
Only if you are already a fighter.
"The wearer treats his fighter level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of the armor training and bravery class features."
so someone without fighter levels would be a fourth level fighter because he has no fighter levels.
so someone without fighter levels would be a fourth level fighter because he has no fighter levels.
Huh. I read it as assuming you had a fighter level in the first place. Isn't that the intention? If you don't have any levels granting you armor training and bravery, how can you treat them as four higher?
Although, you do raise and interesting point.
so someone without fighter levels would be a fourth level fighter because he has no fighter levels.Huh. I read it as assuming you had a fighter level in the first place. Isn't that the intention? If you don't have any levels granting you armor training and bravery, how can you treat them as four higher?
Although, you do raise and interesting point.
Why would a Fighter spend 4k on an item that gives him a non-stackable bonus that he will eventually achieve* later? It seems like a waste. However, based on the wording, this does seem to be an item that a non-Fighter can use to obtain the base functions of the Fighter's Armor Training.
Sucks, it does.
/ * assuming of course that the character is sticking with the Fighter Class.
// yes, I understand that isn't always the case, which means this item becomes very useful to Multi-classers.
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It's just standard uncareful writing. There's a bunch of items/feats/etc. that do similar things, and no two of them are written the same way. The Sash of the War Champion is written the most permissively of any item I can find - most similar items say something like "a sorcerer who wears..." or whatever. The Silver Smite Bracelet has the closest wording to the Sash of the War Champion, but it says "her Smite Evil feature", rather than "the Smite Evil feature." My intuition is that it's meant to be for fighters, but I think you can make a pretty clean case that it works for anyone by RAW. If they do ever get around to clearing it up, it'd also be nice to get confirmation regarding whether you need to actually have those features for it to work - that is, what happens if you're too low level, or if your archetype trades those features away?
If it DOES work for non-fighters, but doesn't work for fighters who trade those features away with archetypes, it creates the bizarre situation where a paladin can be using the sash, take a level of fighter with, say, the Polearm Master archetype, and then suddenly he loses the sash benefits. That seems goofy.
so someone without fighter levels would be a fourth level fighter because he has no fighter levels.Huh. I read it as assuming you had a fighter level in the first place. Isn't that the intention? If you don't have any levels granting you armor training and bravery, how can you treat them as four higher?
Although, you do raise and interesting point.
Wow! Yeah, reading that, it essentially gives you four levels of fighter for the purposes of armor training and bravery, that is a DIRT CHEAP magic item (value-wise). Might have to throw one of those into an upcoming loot hoard. Also, that really might be an FAQ. I don't think they actually intended for it to give any character free armor training, and free bravery. RAW though, I don't see how you could argue it.
The text says,
The wearer treats his fighter level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of the armor training and bravery class features.
If my normal fighter level is 0 and I add 4, I get 4. Which means I just got those two class features for free.
Hmmmmm...
Ahhhh. People are finally realizing how dumb it is to assume your level in classes you don't have levels in is 0.