Double pistol


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Ok so I have a player who is using a double pistol and am I correct that the only minus for taking the double shot is a -4 to hit? There is no drop in range like the double musket has and you can take multiple double shots per round as long as you can reload as a free action. This seems to me to be borderline broken to double someones damage.

Silver Crusade

It isn't. Hundreds of messageboards posts to prove it, plus my own experience. Being forced in close range with a prone to explode weapon that gets a -4 to each roll, even against Touch AC, is bad without investing a lot of feats and money into it. (Also, make sure that he uses Rapid Reload (DB pistol) and not Rapid Reload (One-handed Firearm), 'cause the mistake is easy to do).
Also, higher misfire range + misfire = two barrels to clean out.


Depends on how you run it, if you run it like it has a built in manyshot and effectively doubles the number of attacks the player makes then yes it's broken.


leo1925 wrote:
Depends on how you run it, if you run it like it has a built in manyshot and effectively doubles the number of attacks the player makes then yes it's broken.

That is how the player I have is using it. If this is incorrect then I would love to know the correct way it is used. If you can only do this with a single action and not a full attack I must have missed that.

Silver Crusade

You can do a full attack by double tapping each shot if you can reload fast enough, it's been clarified a long time ago. And no, this isn't overpowered.


Maxximilius wrote:
You can do a full attack by double tapping each shot if you can reload fast enough, it's been clarified a long time ago. And no, this isn't overpowered.

Do you have a link to a dev post saying that this is what they intented with the double pistol?

Yes i know that with the now wording of the double pistol it can double the number of attacks you have if you have rapid reload and using alchemical cartiges, but i find the ability to double the number of attacks you made by taking a -4 seriously overpowerful.

For example a 8th level gunslinger could easily have 3-4 attacks (the 4 being from haste), if he uses a double pistol he makes 6 or 8 attacks. How is 8 attacks for 1d8+13 per attack (and the 13 is quite low) at -4 but targeting touch AC at 8th level don't seem overpowered?

Silver Crusade

He doesn't make 6 or 8 attacks, he makes 4 that each act as if you shot twice. One attack roll : one "action" : two bullets. One misfire : two bullets that misfire : weapon ruined unless you spend two rounds correcting it.

You think this is overpowered ?
Then you should obviously ban the poor archer fighter too, since he's still DPR king.

Grand Lodge

Monks are broken too. All those fists.


Well I was not having him spend 2 rounds to clear misfires and I am sure that will help a bit. The issue I am have is the 1d8+13+1d8+13 that he is getting per attack vs touch. Yes he has to get fairly close but even the min damage of a full attack is 84 points of damage. That is enough to one shot many CR 8 monsters. That does seem a bit much to me.


Maxximilius wrote:

He doesn't make 6 or 8 attacks, he makes 4 that each act as if you shot twice. One attack roll : one "action" : two bullets. One misfire : two bullets that misfire : weapon ruined unless you spend two rounds correcting it.

You think this is overpowered ?
Then you should obviously ban the poor archer fighter too, since he's still DPR king.

That's why i said effectively doubling the number of his attacks, and no it's not the same with the archer because the archer can use manyshot only in his first attack but with that a gunslinger can use manyshot on all of his attacks.

Silver Crusade

Your answer is out of topic. Manyshot has nothing to do with the situation. You are saying the DB pistol is OP, I state that an archer still is better, even by getting "only" one more arrow with manyshot.
So, is the fighter OP for you ?


No and we even have a archer in our game and she does not match the damage with the ease of laying it out. For me it just seemed to not match the other firearms that are given in the book and does seem to stand out. Now with that said I can work with it because that is what a good DM does.


Hargert wrote:
No and we even have a archer in our game and she does not match the damage with the ease of laying it out. For me it just seemed to not match the other firearms that are given in the book and does seem to stand out. Now with that said I can work with it because that is what a good DM does.

Out of curiosity what class is the archer and what class is the one with the firearm?


It is a ranger archer build with all the standard archer feats so far. The firearm is a gunslinger with the pistol arch type.

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