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Under the True Primitive's proficiency:
"A true primitive is proficient with hide armor and armors made from bone (see Special Materials). A true primitive is also proficient with bone shields and the following weapons: battleaxe, blowgun, club, greatclub, handaxe, longspear, shortspear, sling, and spear."
Does this mean that any armor or shield made from bone or dragonhide can be worn without penalty?

Grick |

Under the True Primitive's proficiency:
"A true primitive is proficient with hide armor and armors made from bone (see Special Materials). A true primitive is also proficient with bone shields and the following weapons: battleaxe, blowgun, club, greatclub, handaxe, longspear, shortspear, sling, and spear."Does this mean that any armor or shield made from bone or dragonhide can be worn without penalty?
If you're proficient with hide armor, and you get the "masterwork hide armor" version of dragonhide, then you're still proficient, because it's still hide armor.
If you get the "masterwork banded mail" or "masterwork half-plate" or whatever, then you're not proficient, because it's not hide armor.
A dragonhide shield is not made from bone, so you are not proficient.

Tacticslion |

There is a difference.
If a creature creates a masterwork dire flail from bone, it makes zero sense that a person under the True Primitive Proficiency has proficiency with that weapon. None whatsoever. Or a musket for that matter. Or a laser canon. Or loads of things. But by RAW, they do due to wording.
Also, as Grick pointed out, by RAW, it doesn't allow you proficiency with things made with hide other than armor... even if it's as straight-forward as a shield.
So, yes, a pretty big difference there. I'd suggest going with RAI on this one.

Grick |

What about the hide shirt
If you mean "Hide" which is also called "Hide Armor" and is listed in the CRB equipment chapter, then yes.
If there's a separate item called "Hide Shirt" then it depends on if your DM feels that "hide armor" means the existing item called hide armor, or if it means any armor made from a hide, which would include all forms of leather and things like that.
or bone full plate?
"A true primitive is proficient with hide armor and armors made from bone."
Bone: "Armor: Studded leather, scale mail, breastplates, and wooden shields can all be constructed using bone."
Is "bone full plate" made from bone? If so, you're proficient. If not, you're not. I don't see it in the UC section, where are you finding that item?

cwslyclgh |

bone full plate, should such exist, would be a yes (although bone is a pretty unrealistic material to make full plate out of, but hey it is a fantasy game).
strictly as written I do not think a Hide Shirt (are there even Pathfinder stats for a hide shirt, I know it originally appeared in a 3.5 adventure path's campaign guide) would qualify, as it specifies hide armor (not 'armors made of hide', the way it does for bone).

Tacticslion |

It's not nearly as limiting, if you look at it:
a) pure RAW
b) pure munchkin
I'm the latter, so I do.
Listen: create laser guns from bone. Go on, I'll wait. Finished? GREAT! You're now proficient with that, RAW.
But, as I've said, the RAI is pretty clear. If the question is, "hey, I've (personally, as a player) never heard of this 'iuak' thing, but it's made from rawhide bone, can I use it?", then the answer, inevitably, is:
you're intimately familiar with "primitive"-style bone and leather combat stuff, so sure, why not?
However, under standard systems, you'd need to take exotic weapon proficiency, for what is, mechanically, a short sword that doubles as an ice pick. Poor deal. One feat (or rather class feature), however, and now all that's yours. Good deal!
The specific list of weapons is just because you know how to use a number of bludgeoning (and other) tools that "primitive"* cultures often used, because, really, the basic principles for the use of that kind of item remain virtually identical, regardless of the material or style.
You might be only used to finding large pieces of wood crudely fashioned into a club, but when you find that adamantine cudgel-shaped-thing, you're going to know how to use it to bash someone's head in, despite being a different material.
So yeah, it's got it's purposes.
* EDIT: meant to do this before: "That word, you keep using it, I do not think it means what you think it means." :)
EDIT 2: That's not to say that it isn't limiting when you use in a reasonable way. It is. In some ways, that's the point. But it's a different kind of limiting. "All simple and martial weapons" is also limiting, just differently.

Sah |

You are missing one thing Tacticslion. True Primitives are not proficient in bone weapons.
Only battleaxe, blowgun, club, greatclub, handaxe, longspear, shortspear, sling, and spear.
They are proficient in Bone armors, but as mentioned earlier only certain armors can be made from bone.
So no Laser gun made from bone for you.